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Old 09-22-2012, 13:28   #1
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Refineries

on a fire or water (i would liked both please)

could anyone liked to take their time and fill in the following?

water fire

cap

bag

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bs

bracelet

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Old 09-22-2012, 13:44   #2
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what kind of build are you looking for?
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what kind of build are you looking for?
i was hoping to find the most balancing one, my main is a water toaist, i am a support so to survive, so i was thinking mainly counteraction and and immunity, but also play fire as my secondary and heard they op with penetration and skill crit, guessing skill crit or penetration for bs and bracelet and defense on everything else?
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[S] Bracelet +6 SDG SDG -5
[S] Mana Bs +8 SPG SPG -3 p6
[S] Robe +6 STG STG -5
[S] Boots +5 STG STG -5
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[S] Tower +7 SGG SGG -1
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Old 09-22-2012, 14:20   #4
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on a fire or water (i would liked both please)

could anyone liked to take their time and fill in the following?

water | fire

cap - Immunity | Penetration

bag - Immunity (?) | Penetration/Critical strike(?)

armor - Immunity/counteraction | Immunity/Counteraction*

bs - Critical | Critical Strike (I think there's no pene for bs)

bracelet - Penetration** | Penetration

boots - Immunity | Immunity


thanks
(?) I can't remember if those exist for bags, I can only remember of detoxication on bags/necklaces o.o Sorry
* (there are no offensive refineries on armor I think)
** I think there are no defensive ones for bracelet

Ps: Don't rage at me, I might be forgetting refineries, I never used much but BT on weps and ring, and detox for 100 pct detox lol
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i was hoping to find the most balancing one, my main is a water toaist, i am a support so to survive, so i was thinking mainly counteraction and and immunity, but also play fire as my secondary and heard they op with penetration and skill crit, guessing skill crit or penetration for bs and bracelet and defense on everything else?
Which do you fear most as a water? Noobs with BT or criticals from stronger players? I'd guess criticals.

So Immunity on everything you can get immunity

Penetration on the ones that can have penetration and aren't full with immunity already

If anything is left go for critical strike
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i was hoping to find the most balancing one, my main is a water toaist, i am a support so to survive, so i was thinking mainly counteraction and and immunity, but also play fire as my secondary and heard they op with penetration and skill crit, guessing skill crit or penetration for bs and bracelet and defense on everything else?
when i was fire i rocked it like this

pene on cap/bag/brac
skill crit on bs
detox on boots/armor (for 100% detox)

if you need more hp then swap out pene on cap for HP
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Old 09-22-2012, 15:10   #7
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(?) I can't remember if those exist for bags, I can only remember of detoxication on bags/necklaces o.o Sorry
* (there are no offensive refineries on armor I think)
** I think there are no defensive ones for bracelet

Ps: Don't rage at me, I might be forgetting refineries, I never used much but BT on weps and ring, and detox for 100 pct detox lol
why would i? you did as i asked, kudos to you my friend

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Which do you fear most as a water? Noobs with BT or criticals from stronger players? I'd guess criticals.

So Immunity on everything you can get immunity

Penetration on the ones that can have penetration and aren't full with immunity already

If anything is left go for critical strike
sounds about what i like
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when i was fire i rocked it like this

pene on cap/bag/brac
skill crit on bs
detox on boots/armor (for 100% detox)

if you need more hp then swap out pene on cap for HP
lol i might just do that maybe if i go fire, damn thats sweet combination
is there a reason to perming them or no?
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[S] Bracelet +6 SDG SDG -5
[S] Mana Bs +8 SPG SPG -3 p6
[S] Robe +6 STG STG -5
[S] Boots +5 STG STG -5
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[S] Tower +7 SGG SGG -1
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Old 09-22-2012, 15:18   #8
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lol i might just do that maybe if i go fire, damn thats sweet combination
is there a reason to perming them or no?
it's up to you perming them is a lot of perm stones. I have 5 permed lvl 5 refinerys and I love it, wish my other 2 items were perm.
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I do pene on head and bag, crit on bracelet and bs, immunity on armor and boots. The only change i'd really consider is detox on bag, but the only time i really see fog is from fires, who i can rarely beat as water anyway, so i don't see a need for it, personally.
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Same as Mikeyy 3rd build.
Remove Armor Detox for Immunity if you don't get fogged often.
You can switch almost all the Penetration for M-Def% if you fight Magic Tao
Switch Headgear refinery to Intensification to survive more.
Switch Boot refinery for Immunity if you have terribly low Immunity or there is no risk of being fog.
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sounds about what i like


lol i might just do that maybe if i go fire, damn thats sweet combination
is there a reason to perming them or no?
You're welcome, glad I was able to help

Also, as someone mentioned above, chis are even more important than refineries now, so you should work on nice chis too

Play around with what suits you. Fire/water have almost completely different chi and refinery setting, which kinda sucks if you want to switch from one to another :/

So in my honest opinion you should try to see which do you think you'd need most, or want to play the most. I'd bet on fire stuff for atack power, since waters can still revive without the proper refineries or chis, yet fires need all the power they can get
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Fire/water have almost completely different chi and refinery setting, which kinda sucks if you want to switch from one to another :/
Not really. I'd have a really hard time justifying different chi/refineries for fire and water. Not sure if you realize, but water can do a lot more than shield and rev. If anything, water benefits more from sacrificing defense in favor of damage, since they can already survive a lot more anyway.

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You're welcome, glad I was able to help

Also, as someone mentioned above, chis are even more important than refineries now, so you should work on nice chis too

Play around with what suits you. Fire/water have almost completely different chi and refinery setting, which kinda sucks if you want to switch from one to another :/

So in my honest opinion you should try to see which do you think you'd need most, or want to play the most. I'd bet on fire stuff for atack power, since waters can still revive without the proper refineries or chis, yet fires need all the power they can get
nope, my water has mostly immunity, now working on fire fore anything m-att
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[S] Bag +6 STG STG -5 P3
[S] Bracelet +6 SDG SDG -5
[S] Mana Bs +8 SPG SPG -3 p6
[S] Robe +6 STG STG -5
[S] Boots +5 STG STG -5
[S] Fan +7 STG RTG-1
[S] Tower +7 SGG SGG -1
[S] Crop +6
Steed +6
Royal Ape -1
Palm Leaf Fan -1
Miracle Gourd -1
Fancy Azure -1

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Headgear: Penetration
Bag: M-Defense
Brac: M-defence
BS: S-critical
Armor: Immunity
Boot: Immunity.

Use counteraction on bag when playing water.
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