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Old 02-16-2011, 02:03   #16
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herc is OP yes, but not that it does 27k lol. more like 18k-20k

lol seppo you want people to use stgs to survive herc? then you get stgs to survive tfb or get less nado damage too or put a sock in it
Everyone should use STGs against everything, make people unable to 1 hit you. People go glass cannon at high BP.
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Old 02-16-2011, 02:13   #17
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so that's fine for you? everyone using stgs? just want to know before you complain about "fires aint one hit" then :]
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so that's fine for you? everyone using stgs? just want to know before you complain about "fires aint one hit" then :]
The fact that I didnt 1 hit the water is fine, but the fact that he can chain shields constantly without having it off for more then 1-2 sec is lame.
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There's no ****ing point of using stgs if you get herced for 35k. That's why I told the dude to use stgs ONLY when he is equal to the trojan in bp.
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crit lucky non rb weak geared char? reminds me of me tfbing 160k against a guy "to test" lol. oh I almost came rite there.
Was on Meshy I think rofl, lucky time + crit.
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There's no ****ing point of using stgs if you get herced for 35k. That's why I told the dude to use stgs ONLY when he is equal to the trojan in bp.
If you get herced for 35k with all pimped out gear but +8 boots you're doing something insanly wrong.
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If you get herced for 35k with all pimped out gear but +8 boots you're doing something insanly wrong.
I'm not speaking of his case. You want everyone to use stgs against every class, but your brilliant idea doesn't apply for everyone. Some get herced for 15k, some get herced for 30k.

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It was late when I wrote that message? Did I mention that:

Stig herc = 19k
Crit herc = 28k

Also thanks for the replies, especially ProEgy. If I chuck 2 STGs into +12 boots, I'll do my full amount of damage (but so will he)?

Edit: someone said something about 'you won't do more damage, you'll do full damage' being higher BP'd. So does that mean, since he's got higher BP, once we're matched, he'll still do full damage? hercing for 19k with stig?
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It was late when I wrote that message? Did I mention that:

Stig herc = 19k
Crit herc = 28k

Also thanks for the replies, especially ProEgy. If I chuck 2 STGs into +12 boots, I'll do my full amount of damage (but so will he)?
No....

You still got BT difference. But if you didnt it'd be:

Weapon + ring damage * 3.1 * 0.9 * 0.88 -> His damage with herc
Weapon + ring damage * 2.8 * 1.3 -> Your damage with TFB

Both are without stig, if you count stig in you simply do * 1.3 on both.

Yes he'll herc for full damage, but if you get STGs those 19k become alot lower.
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It was late when I wrote that message? Did I mention that:

Stig herc = 19k
Crit herc = 28k

Also thanks for the replies, especially ProEgy. If I chuck 2 STGs into +12 boots, I'll do my full amount of damage (but so will he)?

Edit: someone said something about 'you won't do more damage, you'll do full damage' being higher BP'd. So does that mean, since he's got higher BP, once we're matched, he'll still do full damage? hercing for 19k with stig?
If I remember correctly, he'd do like 12-13k with a stigged herc if you have same bp and 2 stgs in boots.

The whole point of having 2 stgs when you both are matched is that you will be able to 1 hit him but he won't 1 herc you. If you are a good tfber, he won't even bother logging. Well in my case he still logs in, with just 4 maxed out firetaos and 1 more hercer.

I tried it, a confirmed 20-22k damage to a maxed out tro with the same bp, and yes I had 2 stgs, he hercs for 13k.

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If I remember correctly, he'd do like 12-13k with a stigged herc if you have same bp and 2 stgs in boots.

The whole point of having 2 stgs when you both are matched is that you will be able to 1 hit him but he won't 1 herc you. If you are a good tfber, he won't even bother logging. Well in my case he still logs in, with just 4 maxed out firetaos and 1 more hercer.

I tried it, a confirmed 20-22k damage to a maxed out tro with the same bp, and yes I had 2 stgs, he hercs for 13k.
Sounds good, thanks Seppo and ProEgy.
Also, when he hits 140, what damage will be expected taken/giving with him as 1 bp higher?
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Sounds good, thanks Seppo and ProEgy.
Also, when he hits 140, what damage will be expected taken/giving with him as 1 bp higher?
Same damage taken, abit lower done, maybe 1k lower or so.
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Same damage taken, abit lower done, maybe 1k lower or so.
I think damage is reduced like 10% per bp difference. Not 100% sure.
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I think damage is reduced like 10% per bp difference. Not 100% sure.
Then it should be like:

1 BP difference: 30%
2 BP difference: 33%
3 BP difference: 36.3%

Following the equations 0.30*1.1^(x-1) where x is difference in BP. I guess.

Hmmmm, don't know if it's correct but if it is the BP to get like 100% reduction is 13.633 BP. >.< Anyone know the right formula?

I guess it can be right but that it got a cap so none can get 100% reduction?
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