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Old 07-25-2008, 03:29   #1
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Angry Bot security a load of crap !!!!

i got put in botjail for no reason what so ever, now i am arguing with conquer to get my account back to normal as i'm not paying DB's because conquer messed up.

heres what happened ;
1. i was simply killing birdmans, and training, as i usually do.
2. i randomly got teleported to botjail
3. i asked my guild about it, and they said i have to pay.
4. i found out i have to pay 2 DB's to get out, when i didn't bot or cheat.
5. i reported an account issue to conquer staff, they send me a stupid email going to the botjail info, on the website... which only tells you how much you gotta pay....

i mean come on, i didn't do nothing, and conquer staff can't see that ???
how dumb.....
And i will not stop fighting for this as i didn't do anything wrong....
if i knew i did something, i'd pay the DB's, but cause conquer staff are sooo dumb, they got me put in botjail and they can't even show me the log or tell me why....

If this happens to anyone, keep fighting conquer staff. I WILL NOT GIVE UP

Message to Conquer Staff : Your Security system needs checking for this error, its not fair on people like me.

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Old 07-25-2008, 05:14   #2
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get over it and pay dbs like everyone else lol whine whine whine **** sake -_-
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Problem is, everyone is saying this is a scam by TQ to make more money... and with all those votes towards that TQ could actually be sued for it.

So if i were them, i'd fix it. Rather then have to pay both Innocent people, and Botters back their money...

Then again, it is TQ..maybe they don't care..yet
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the tos u signed says u wont bring legal fualt to said company....if ur gonna sue, sue for holding illegal under age gambeling without posting odds wich is mandotory. or sue for intrusive patches like the anti spyware bs that is clearly an invasion of privacy. i dont know how they do it in china, but in america (where the servers are located) there are laws that have penalties if broken. if ur so upset, do something about it
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the tos u signed says u wont bring legal fualt to said company....if ur gonna sue, sue for holding illegal under age gambeling without posting odds wich is mandotory. or sue for intrusive patches like the anti spyware bs that is clearly an invasion of privacy. i dont know how they do it in china, but in america (where the servers are located) there are laws that have penalties if broken. if ur so upset, do something about it
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This Agreement is governed by and shall be construed and enforced under the laws of the State of California, without applying any conflicts of law principles that would require application of the law of any other jurisdiction. You agree that all actions or proceedings arising in connection with this Agreement shall be tried and litigated exclusively in the state or federal (if permitted by law and a party elects to file an action in federal court) courts located in Los Angeles, State of California.
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Thing is, if it's proven as a scam placed purposely by TQ Digital as a way of making extra money through actions mimicking and or relating to "Black Mail", TQ Digital can be sued and forced to refund any and all money spent to "Unlock a character" from this "Bot Jail".

I think this is/was the stupidest idea, legally, they could have thought up...

Way too many ways to catch them for it, too many flaws, and the botters are never the ones who get caught!


CAN be touched for it, i'll ask my friend. He's an attorney
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Problem is, everyone is saying this is a scam by TQ to make more money... and with all those votes towards that TQ could actually be sued for it.

So if i were them, i'd fix it. Rather then have to pay both Innocent people, and Botters back their money...

Then again, it is TQ..maybe they don't care..yet
Lol funny thing about that.


TQ can actually ban you at any moment without reason, regardless of how much money you spent on this game, and you can't sue them at all.

It's in Terms and Conditions. You are renting this all from them, etc....
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Lol funny thing about that.


TQ can actually ban you at any moment without reason, regardless of how much money you spent on this game, and you can't sue them at all.

It's in Terms and Conditions. You are renting this all from them, etc....
Unlawfully obtaining funds through any means can bring a law suit, regardless of the statements in the TOS
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To bad it would be really damn hard to prove they were doing it on purpose. I do believe you can ask to remain anonymous if you fraps someone cheating.
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the tos u signed says u wont bring legal fualt to said company....if ur gonna sue, sue for holding illegal under age gambeling without posting odds wich is mandotory. or sue for intrusive patches like the anti spyware bs that is clearly an invasion of privacy. i dont know how they do it in china, but in america (where the servers are located) there are laws that have penalties if broken. if ur so upset, do something about it
there is no gambling on co because you are gambling with things tq owns and the prizes tq owns those to. so your not really losing or gaining anything so no gambling. and btw its not mandatory. the antitrojan would be illegal if it accessed anything outside of what is needed to view the ram that conquer.exe was in possession of.

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Thing is, if it's proven as a scam placed purposely by TQ Digital as a way of making extra money through actions mimicking and or relating to "Black Mail", TQ Digital can be sued and forced to refund any and all money spent to "Unlock a character" from this "Bot Jail".

I think this is/was the stupidest idea, legally, they could have thought up...

Way too many ways to catch them for it, too many flaws, and the botters are never the ones who get caught!


CAN be touched for it, i'll ask my friend. He's an attorney
how can you sue for something you dont own? thats like saying your going to sue for custody of ur friends child. it wont work. and ask him, hope you two want to pay for their lawyer fees when they counter sue for them.

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Lol funny thing about that.


TQ can actually ban you at any moment without reason, regardless of how much money you spent on this game, and you can't sue them at all.

It's in Terms and Conditions. You are renting this all from them, etc....
agreed but dont forget mention tq owns everything ingame including the characters and items.

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its not unlawful in anyway. tq owns the characters and items. they can move every1's char to botjail and there is nothing we can do but quit or pay. the TOS is more or less the same as with every mmo's TOS and yes they are legally binding even though the laws on them are slacked because its always up to the hosting company to choose the punishments unless it breaks one of the cyber crime laws(mainly hacking). so botjailing and banning chars are completely in their power with us as players helpless and defenseless against their power.
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there is no gambling on co because you are gambling with things tq owns and the prizes tq owns those to. so your not really losing or gaining anything so no gambling. and btw its not mandatory. the antitrojan would be illegal if it accessed anything outside of what is needed to view the ram that conquer.exe was in possession of.



how can you sue for something you dont own? thats like saying your going to sue for custody of ur friends child. it wont work. and ask him, hope you two want to pay for their lawyer fees when they counter sue for them.



agreed but dont forget mention tq owns everything ingame including the characters and items.


its not unlawful in anyway. tq owns the characters and items. they can move every1's char to botjail and there is nothing we can do but quit or pay. the TOS is more or less the same as with every mmo's TOS and yes they are legally binding even though the laws on them are slacked because its always up to the hosting company to choose the punishments unless it breaks one of the cyber crime laws(mainly hacking). so botjailing and banning chars are completely in their power with us as players helpless and defenseless against their power.
Actually there's still a hole in it... The fact that it seems it's being used to make more money, on purpose.

Regardless, the fact that you're FORCED to spend money to get out, or lose everything you put into the game, IS illegal.

And i asked him, he agreed.

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so botjailing and banning chars are completely in their power with us as players helpless and defenseless against their power.
Haha! That's nice, but not true...

One report to the United States Justice Department will say differently.



What i'm saying is, TQ would be best getting rid of this, or making it so innocent people don't get hit for something they didn't do, and CHARGED FOR IT.

EDIT: or at least don't tell them "Just pay the fee", that's Black Mail. Let them out if you don't have proof, for gods sake.

I've saved their TOS, unless they want to change it, and if this isn't fixed i'll see to the hundreds or even thousands of people who are getting scammed out of money, report it, and give signature.

Just because TQ has their loop holes in their TOS, doesn't make them immune.

Their servers are in America, so our government has full rights to take them down for this


Sad, something they could fix so simply, can (and will, if they neglect it) land them in a world of trouble.

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