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Correct.

Anything a tro can do a ninja can do better. Except herc.

So you're an idiot if you think there is any reason to go tro other than herc.

Oh, and spirit heal.
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do fires own in classic?
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@ Mr. Alex Jones, yo bra, are you saying that fires with 20k hp is average, if so you have no clue as to what you are talking about. The ones who do maybe have that much surely did something to deserve it and should be able to kick ass, or at least stay alive a lil longer than most fires do.
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The fires that matter are around 20k

All the others are small fry.

But compared to small fry ninjas and tros, a fire has more HP than them too.
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The fires that matter are around 20k

All the others are small fry.

But compared to small fry ninjas and tros, a fire has more HP than them too.
Yet they can pot off teh dmg they do, and teh small fries just die. h, and btw, 99% of the players are small fries lol.


Conclusion, ur saying fires are not overpwoerd, but bulkers are. (or bulker fires, tho bulkers ninjas rape em, and all teh bulker ros here say fires are a joke, even teh bulked ones. tahts what THEY say for teh record, not me)
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Yet they can pot off teh dmg they do, and teh small fries just die. h, and btw, 99% of the players are small fries lol.


Conclusion, ur saying fires are not overpwoerd, but bulkers are. (or bulker fires, tho bulkers ninjas rape em, and all teh bulker ros here say fires are a joke, even teh bulked ones. tahts what THEY say for teh record, not me)
no, even small fry fires toast small fry trojans. In fact, some small fry fires toast bulkers, depending on the gear.

Ideally, a fire should do ~800 dmg to an equal tro. but now with VIP WH, cp pots...
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no, even small fry fires toast small fry trojans. In fact, some small fry fires toast bulkers, depending on the gear.

Ideally, a fire should do ~800 dmg to an equal tro. but now with VIP WH, cp pots...
Situation:

Tro (me) playing 1 month. HP:6k.

Fire (some other dude) playing for few months minimal. hiting me 2k +/-

=me win most of teh time, if i can one hti it, or with breaktrough.

Yes, fire should hit lower, i agree with you about that. But in "small fry" pvp, fires aren't op against peopel who can play. wich aren't many. Yes penetration is OP, yes your opinions seens... bull****?
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Situation:

Tro (me) playing 1 month. HP:6k.

Fire (some other dude) playing for few months minimal. hiting me 2k +/-

=me win most of teh time, if i can one hti it, or with breaktrough.

Yes, fire should hit lower, i agree with you about that. But in "small fry" pvp, fires aren't op against peopel who can play. wich aren't many. Yes penetration is OP, yes your opinions seens... bull****?
If you die in 3 nado hits, you will beat the fire?

Let's be real bro. That scenario will happen maybe 2 times out of 10.
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i get hit for 4k's by a 355 bp fire on the 334 bp ninja I play with. my tfb has a 36% BT, wanne bet I beat the fire? I sorta one hit him :x. or is 23k damage not enough? even if that pro guy you talk about encounters me, my bt still one hits him.
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i get hit for 4k's by a 355 bp fire on the 334 bp ninja I play with. my tfb has a 36% BT, wanne bet I beat the fire? I sorta one hit him :x. or is 23k damage not enough? even if that pro guy you talk about encounters me, my bt still one hits him.
The fundamental difference is the number of times your breakthrough activates versus how many times their breakthrough activates.

Just based on how many times they hit you versus you hit them, on average they will nado you 10-15 times for every 1 hit you make.
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no, even small fry fires toast small fry trojans. In fact, some small fry fires toast bulkers, depending on the gear.

Ideally, a fire should do ~800 dmg to an equal tro. but now with VIP WH, cp pots...
It cant depend on gear. Bulkers have at minimum +7 gear while small fry anything average maybe +5's through market trades. How the hell does a small fry fire beat a tro when he is going to be hitting that tro less than 2k? Maybe Pen would help but not like the new dragon souls dont defend against that. No small fire gonna beat a bulker tro unless that tro was in a fight earlier and ran out of pots.

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Let's be real bro. That scenario will happen maybe 2 times out of 10.
No you be real. I just got my gear to level 120. So far a friend fire hits me 3k AFTER ADDING MORE PENETRATION TO HIS GEARS. With 10k hp without shield and 13k with shield, Fires are potable. Further with adding some dragon souls I just reduced damage from 2.5k to about less against an enemy fire. Again potable.
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:P all I gotta say is use what ya got.... get better crap ..... or quit ...

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honestly the wheel of forune will land on ur class eventually its just a matter of patience....

I would like to see CK gone yes but if i got same bp no way in hell it will 1 hit me the only problem after that is that i cant hit in 15 seconds what the person hit on me.... yeah i h8 it yeah its wrong and i B***h but i also find ways around it .... Breaktrhough with taos only bothers me if they are using auto nado lolz .... I didn't build my char to fight taos i built my char to take out melee chars which for the most part its highly capable of

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It cant depend on gear. Bulkers have at minimum +7 gear while small fry anything average maybe +5's through market trades. How the hell does a small fry fire beat a tro when he is going to be hitting that tro less than 2k? Maybe Pen would help but not like the new dragon souls dont defend against that. No small fire gonna beat a bulker tro unless that tro was in a fight earlier and ran out of pots.



No you be real. I just got my gear to level 120. So far a friend fire hits me 3k AFTER ADDING MORE PENETRATION TO HIS GEARS. With 10k hp without shield and 13k with shield, Fires are potable. Further with adding some dragon souls I just reduced damage from 2.5k to about less against an enemy fire. Again potable.
First off, your friend must not have a dragon souls bs/brace/cap/armor.

I have a fire tao friend who is full 1 soc, fully permed with 260-280 bp depending if mentor is on or not, owned many trjs/ninjas that are in the 300 bp range... zapps those trjs about 3.5-4k dmg, zaps me for 2.8k dmg because i have 30 percent bless.

also, no fire tao with full +5-6, 2 soc and fully permed gonna hit less than 2.5k, its more around 3-4k dmg 6-8k crits... depending on the class it fights, full +7 2 soc gives about 310-320bp only.

only way how i see small fry fire taos hitting less than 2k is when they fight a max out trj...

which is totally dfferent, because a max fire vs a max trj, max fire would hit a max trj 2.5k dmg ;0 if trj had magic def refineries on, if not around 3.5k dmg.

so small fry fire taos arn't so small fry...

don't compare bulkers to non bulkers cuz that's just totally on a different level.
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