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Old 02-12-2011, 10:03   #1
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Wat-War-War vs Pure War

With the new weapon skills coming for spear and wand I've been wanting to get to work on making a pure warrior, but not sure if it is worth it to go pure.

Really the only advantage I can find for pure warrior is still speedgun. Wat-War-War with a blade will do more damage with FB than a pure war using <insert spear's new skill name here>

I'm just looking to get others opinions on which they think is better to play and why.

Some quick math I did comparing Super level 120 weapons and Super 121 ring all no plus

Blade:
2350 - 3475 (avg 2912) for base damage
3055 - 4517 (avg 3786) for FB
3971 - 5872 (avg 4921) for FB while stigged

Spear:
2382 - 4028 (avg 3205) for base damage
2739 - 4632 (avg 3685) for <nameless spear skill>

Pure warrior would have the advatage that if they get close enough they have a chance of getting Speedgun to go off

Wat-War-War will also gain magic shield

Looking at these numbers (not sure how much the ratios will change with the plusing of rings/weapons) I also will need to factor in that 2 handers get more bonus from dragon souls and redo the math, but thinking after DS are added it will be pretty close damage wise so really comes down to speedgun vs magic shield
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Wat-war-war by far.
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for me its better pure war, because with pure war you can fight with spear and blade, but with wat-war-war you cant, and you can get stig or magic shield for another water...
and when you go for melee then the blade sucks, but with a spear you have speedgun
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Gonna have to say water>warrior>warrior, your comparing and attack and a defense move and your a defense class, besides magic shield is a pwnage skill for warriors with shields.

The fact that you talk as if you'd ever get speedgun off tells me you mellee tho if thats the case perhaps sword is a better choice for you, less attack in ss then in fb but you get pheonix which is prtty pwnage skill.


Guess it really depends on the person and how they fight, I mellee all the time so I'd be going water>trojan>warrior if I were to make a warior (I get it you want reflect more then cyclone so for you youd replace trojan with warrior) then I'd use sword and shield since I mellee all the time.

If you are looking for a charactar to use spear tho then make trojan>warrior>water and you can use spear add some STGs 4 SDGs and viola you got an amazing spear weilder, theres also the option of archer with spear you can do alot of damage with 350 pct power of spear, if your smart enough to get it off.
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if you are going to go wat-war-war you are better off going wat-war-monk with blade mainly because monk gear has the same defence as warrior but higher mdef similar to tao gear.

war-war-war will give you the most pdef than any other class and you get 70% block (credit goes to ~Twix~)
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if you are going to go wat-war-war you are better off going wat-war-monk with blade mainly because monk gear has the same defence as warrior but higher mdef similar to tao gear.

war-war-war will give you the most pdef than any other class and you get 70% block (credit goes to ~Twix~)
wat-war-war and war-war-war have same defense except wat-war-war has magic shield for the 30% boost
Also all warriors can get 75% Block it's not a pure skill.

But ya wat-war-monk is also something I am considering, they are very versatile, with superior armour and low requirement for beads making using both beads and blade easy, plus the auras are nice.
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if you are going to go wat-war-war you are better off going wat-war-monk with blade mainly because monk gear has the same defence as warrior but higher mdef similar to tao gear.

war-war-war will give you the most pdef than any other class and you get 70% block (credit goes to ~Twix~)
Isnt it 75% block? And wat-war-war is better then wat-war-monk imo. You still get mdef capped so its fine.
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if you are going to go wat-war-war you are better off going wat-war-monk with blade mainly because monk gear has the same defence as warrior but higher mdef similar to tao gear.

war-war-war will give you the most pdef than any other class and you get 70% block (credit goes to ~Twix~)
Very high price to repair shield tho, and skills are inferior tho always active.
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wat-war-war and war-war-war have same defense except wat-war-war has magic shield for the 30% boost
Also all warriors can get 75% Block it's not a pure skill.

But ya wat-war-monk is also something I am considering, they are very versatile, with superior armour and low requirement for beads making using both beads and blade easy, plus the auras are nice.
Auras fail in comparasin to shield XP skill and superman which I don't think you keep as monk. Not to mention block.
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With the new weapon skills coming for spear and wand I've been wanting to get to work on making a pure warrior, but not sure if it is worth it to go pure.

Really the only advantage I can find for pure warrior is still speedgun. Wat-War-War with a blade will do more damage with FB than a pure war using <insert spear's new skill name here>

I'm just looking to get others opinions on which they think is better to play and why.

Some quick math I did comparing Super level 120 weapons and Super 121 ring all no plus

Blade:
2350 - 3475 (avg 2912) for base damage
3055 - 4517 (avg 3786) for FB
3971 - 5872 (avg 4921) for FB while stigged

Spear:
2382 - 4028 (avg 3205) for base damage
2739 - 4632 (avg 3685) for <nameless spear skill>

Pure warrior would have the advatage that if they get close enough they have a chance of getting Speedgun to go off

Wat-War-War will also gain magic shield

Looking at these numbers (not sure how much the ratios will change with the plusing of rings/weapons) I also will need to factor in that 2 handers get more bonus from dragon souls and redo the math, but thinking after DS are added it will be pretty close damage wise so really comes down to speedgun vs magic shield
I think it depends on if you plan on going to pole a lot at GW with your warrior. If So Pure warrior with wand and spear on alt weapon. Blade has no AOE and sucks at pole. In the end against other melee classes like monk and tro its going to take you 2 hits to kill a top melee player (not considering xP shield and, reflect, block and all) for each class and having a 2h with the 115% is the same 2 hits so a 369 warrior (either build) vs a 369 monk or tro is going to be 2 hits for the warrior and 2 hits for the tro, etc. so its all about the same in the end. Magic shield is nice yet rofl thats not going to mean much against a +12 fire and if you are a warrior fighting a +12 STG fire I guess all I can say is you will not win to often with a blade only even with FB at 130 percent and your best odds are not even going to be the new weapon skill but a melee with speedgun so a 2h may be the best option in all around play (Pure warrior with wand and alt gear spear). Just my two cents on it. Ohh, and the 70 percent block may even be sweeter with reflect. It may be a nightmare for a lot of melee classes trying to get a warrior dead haha.

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This debate is completely necessary.
Pure warrior gets to use a 2hander and a shield, water war war doesn't. What a water war war can do is irrelevant and he is obsolete. Close thread and burn it.
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Pure warrior gets to use a 2hander and a shield, water war war doesn't. What a water war war can do is irrelevant and he is obsolete. Close thread and burn it.
No because who needs a twohander it loses all it's range after you equip shield then it's just a onehand with more power, however stig can make up for some power the other skills replace the rest of the power then it comes down to which you want more

Power which comes with spear on pure warrior


Or better skills such as stig, magic shield, SoA, medititate, psn zap and whatever else.
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No because who needs a twohander it loses all it's range after you equip shield then it's just a onehand with more power, however stig can make up for some power the other skills replace the rest of the power then it comes down to which you want more

Power which comes with spear on pure warrior


Or better skills such as stig, magic shield, SoA, medititate, psn zap and whatever else.
Meh psn zap is so lame and useless, you can kill noobs with it though then again you can kill noobs with everything. Let the 2hander skills come out and then you'll see. A 1hander warrior can pull out maybe 25k atk max? 2hander warrior over 40k.
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