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Old 12-16-2010, 14:29   #31
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its dump ****s like you that don't get it. I'm even the topic host of the "nerf down tfb damage" in the recommended section

when fires got op, we were the ones yelling they were op and got a slight thing out of it (magic def boost with refineries)

when ninjas got op, we made polls to nerf it down to 80%

and now its trojans turn to be hit by the nerf bat. Get lost squirt. The people that made the thread and supporting right now never vouched for fire dmg or ninja damage to stay that way. guess who the topic host of the nin nerf thread is. yea me. now get going, don't have a need for retards like you.

you tell us to get open minded yet you say you would vote no just to screw us. lol gg
lol senor Panda.
Any where in that post, did I say herc wasn't over powered? No.
Did I say the thread starter vouched for fire damage? No.

What I was saying was that Fire taoist is OPed. Ninja is OPed. Monk is OPed?(Not sure yet, hence the question mark). All of this was post battle power but during this entire timeTrojan was getting screwed.

I do agree hercules is over powered. But I think it's high time that people start to focus on the entirety. Not specifics. Yes. Now Ninja, Fire Taoist, Monk and Trojan are all over powered. What does that mean? That they should all get nerfed.

1 Thread isn't enough to cover all of them. If you try to nerf Trojans, they'll say what about the Taoists. If you want to nerf Taoists, they'll say what about the Trojans. If you want to nerf ninjas, they'll say what about the Monks.

And I am open minded. To the idea of all these OPed classes getting nerfed ALL TOGETHER. Instead of trying to reduce one class at a time. Because honestly, you aren't going to get anywhere trying to do that. Just saying.

And I am happy right now. That ninjas, and fire taoists get to feel it. So what I am waiting for, is a solution to solve them all. Not 1 attempt at a fix, and hope people vote yes.

And btw. TQ will nerf hercules, it is kind of obvious. Why would people switch to Monk if trojan with hercules is so much stronger.
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I do agree hercules is over powered. But I think it's high time that people start to focus on the entirety. Not specifics. Yes. Now Ninja, Fire Taoist, Monk and Trojan are all over powered. What does that mean? That they should all get nerfed.
They can't all be overpowered - that would mean that the game is balanced.
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They can't all be overpowered - that would mean that the game is balanced.
If that were the case. Then this thread should be deleted. No? :P
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If that were the case. Then this thread should be deleted. No? :P
I wouldn't really say Fires are overpowered. I mean yeah, some of them hit you 7-8k with crit, but it's not like that can't easily be potted with the new potting system.
As for Ninjas, they aren't nearly as overpowered as Trojans with Herc are now. TwofoldBlades is a single-target attack, Herc kills 1-30 persons in a single click.

Note: I play on Classic servers, perhaps that's why I'm not experiencing the overpoweredness of Fire Taoists, since we have no +12 ones there .
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You all would qq about hercules, then be fine with 2fold being OP

even tho they have similar attack ranges Lol.
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Herc still may not be as OP as twofold but it's fine now.
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This^

Herc still may not be as OP as twofold but it's fine now.
you like to troll alot it seems......yet you are pretty horrible at it......
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Here is my cheap picture showing the diference between herc and tfb (sorry its really poor but you can get the idea).
Yes you loose stamina if you miss with herc, but you just need to click the ground somewhere around the player and he die. Only someone who never played CO could say that tfb is as easy as herc (or some pro tfber with 0-50 ping who dont understand that not everyone is a pro with 0-50ping)

Yes fires were overpowered and still are. But if you say that trojans deserve to be insanely overpowered because taos are overpowered you are just as bad as taos who say that they should be overpowered because trojans were overpowered too. Oh but wait... Trojans are always right. And taos should just die because they are taos. Trojans are the higher race... If you know history you should know what happened when person with similar thinking ruled Germany in the middle of 20th century.

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I agree with FB update. But herc is a little bit too much. Sure fires should get some nerf.
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Here is my cheap picture showing the diference between herc and tfb (sorry its really poor but you can get the idea).
Yes you loose stamina if you miss with herc, but you just need to click the ground somewhere around the player and he die. Only someone who never played CO could say that tfb is as easy as herc (or some pro tfber with 0-50 ping who dont understand that not everyone is a pro with 0-50ping)

Yes fires were overpowered and still are. But if you say that trojans deserve to be insanely overpowered because taos are overpowered you are just as bad as taos who say that they should be overpowered because trojans were overpowered too. Oh but wait... Trojans are always right. And taos should just die because they are taos. Trojans are the higher race... If you know history you should know what happened when person with similar thinking ruled Germany in the middle of 20th century.
I mean when people ask taoists to implement bp restriction on magic they cried...with no real explanation.
Right now Trojans are doing the same, but it's more of a vendetta. They all know it's bull ****, it's just nice to show fire taoists the retardedness.

It's kind of like, before herc was buffed it went something like this:

Higher bp taoist versus lower bp trojan. Trojan would need to 2 chain(if they even 2 shot them) a taoist in order for them to die. Whilst the skill less taoist would click on the trojan 3-2 times and it'd die.

Higher bp trojan versus lower bp taoist. Unless the trojan had a **** load of damage, hercules would 2 shot. So most trojans relied on fb, but yet again a taoist would just click on them and if the trojan had no pots they'd die.

Right now:
Higher bp trojan versus lower bp taoist. The trojan can just use a skill less skill and kill the lower bp taoist. Similar to the higher bp taoist versus lower bp trojan.

I know it's bad, but it's kind of funny watching taoists that require no skill getting one shot by another no skilled skill. I know it affects everyone, but I usually hide under a ghost with a guard. And fb at the hercer and hope that BT kicks in. Of course ninja should be able to do it too. It's the fire taoists that are screwed. rofl.

They should remove it, I just find it funny. Would be hilarious if trojans were like "Nooo hercules requires skills, look we need to click and jump and stuff" similar to what fire taoists said with "Nooo fire taoist requires skill, we need to click really fast and it's hard to level up and stuff."
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Here is my cheap picture showing the diference between herc and tfb (sorry its really poor but you can get the idea).
Yes you loose stamina if you miss with herc, but you just need to click the ground somewhere around the player and he die. Only someone who never played CO could say that tfb is as easy as herc (or some pro tfber with 0-50 ping who dont understand that not everyone is a pro with 0-50ping)

Yes fires were overpowered and still are. But if you say that trojans deserve to be insanely overpowered because taos are overpowered you are just as bad as taos who say that they should be overpowered because trojans were overpowered too. Oh but wait... Trojans are always right. And taos should just die because they are taos. Trojans are the higher race... If you know history you should know what happened when person with similar thinking ruled Germany in the middle of 20th century.

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Here is my cheap picture showing the diference between herc and tfb (sorry its really poor but you can get the idea).
Yes you loose stamina if you miss with herc, but you just need to click the ground somewhere around the player and he die. Only someone who never played CO could say that tfb is as easy as herc (or some pro tfber with 0-50 ping who dont understand that not everyone is a pro with 0-50ping)

Yes fires were overpowered and still are. But if you say that trojans deserve to be insanely overpowered because taos are overpowered you are just as bad as taos who say that they should be overpowered because trojans were overpowered too. Oh but wait... Trojans are always right. And taos should just die because they are taos. Trojans are the higher race... If you know history you should know what happened when person with similar thinking ruled Germany in the middle of 20th century.

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No see twofold does much more damage see you're thinking only 40 pct but remember katanas are stronger then 1hs, so it's more like 60 pct more attack, and sure twofold has a lil less range and attacks only one but you can right and left click mouse buttons at the same time, thus it's much easier to hit with. I guess there kinda equal now. But just so you know if range was everything fb would be easier to use then herc.
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I mean when people ask taoists to implement bp restriction on magic they cried...with no real explanation.
Right now Trojans are doing the same, but it's more of a vendetta. They all know it's bull ****, it's just nice to show fire taoists the retardedness.

It's kind of like, before herc was buffed it went something like this:

Higher bp taoist versus lower bp trojan. Trojan would need to 2 chain(if they even 2 shot them) a taoist in order for them to die. Whilst the skill less taoist would click on the trojan 3-2 times and it'd die.

Higher bp trojan versus lower bp taoist. Unless the trojan had a **** load of damage, hercules would 2 shot. So most trojans relied on fb, but yet again a taoist would just click on them and if the trojan had no pots they'd die.

Right now:
Higher bp trojan versus lower bp taoist. The trojan can just use a skill less skill and kill the lower bp taoist. Similar to the higher bp taoist versus lower bp trojan.

I know it's bad, but it's kind of funny watching taoists that require no skill getting one shot by another no skilled skill. I know it affects everyone, but I usually hide under a ghost with a guard. And fb at the hercer and hope that BT kicks in. Of course ninja should be able to do it too. It's the fire taoists that are screwed. rofl.

They should remove it, I just find it funny. Would be hilarious if trojans were like "Nooo hercules requires skills, look we need to click and jump and stuff" similar to what fire taoists said with "Nooo fire taoist requires skill, we need to click really fast and it's hard to level up and stuff."
Herc may not be as skillful as fb/ss but still when compared to twofold or nado, herc is pretty skillful, if melleeing and fn/ss were removed then the most skillful way of fighting would then go down to herc and possibly an archers rergular arrow shot I mean thats pretty tough to do if you stay on screen, considering it hits so little, but then again you can just off screen with that, so it depends on who does it.
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Herc may not be as skillful as fb/ss but still when compared to twofold or nado, herc is pretty skillful, if melleeing and fn/ss were removed then the most skillful way of fighting would then go down to herc and possibly an archers rergular arrow shot I mean thats pretty tough to do if you stay on screen, considering it hits so little, but then again you can just off screen with that, so it depends on who does it.
how is herc more skillful the tfb?

herc = jump into pile of people right click ANYWHERE = all die or come close

tfb = jump right click on said person if in range = that ONE person dies.

and you are a huge troll, that craves **** load of attention because you are unable to come out of the closet.
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how is herc more skillful the tfb?

herc = jump into pile of people right click ANYWHERE = all die or come close

tfb = jump right click on said person if in range = that ONE person dies.

and you are a huge troll, that craves **** load of attention because you are unable to come out of the closet.
Herc costs alot of stamina and you lose it if you miss, were as twofold never misses so you can just spam it for instant win.

One last little peice of info you might like to here, if you hit once with twofold it holds the person in place for a second one, so being hit with 1 twofold can turn into being hit by all twofolds.
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