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Old 04-15-2014, 04:24   #1
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survive a triple without block or reflect or azure possible???

now assassin with 6 STG full -7 p2 armor +8 (the rest +12p6) a top pirate (34k attack) hit me 30k stigged tb (45k critical)(i dont have used spell magic shield ).
if i upgrade my armor to p6 and add other 2STG can i survive (58k hp) by a triple from top pure monk ?? (no stigma no critical)
if monk not full sdg i think yes
if ill upgrade a armor to +12 too i think yes for sure.
to ghfdhhdf: what u think? ive 7% more bless than you (2nd hand) and better defense and more hp
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Without stig and/or without full sdg? Yeah you could, easily. You might need more than 6 stg, but you could for sure survive. But if they have stig and full sdg, there's no chance, unless you can get at least 85k hp or so.
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Without stig and/or without full sdg? Yeah you could, easily. You might need more than 6 stg, but you could for sure survive. But if they have stig and full sdg, there's no chance, unless you can get at least 85k hp or so.
full SDG monk ??
if your 85k is right (and i think is too much maybe your estimation is from you experience but as water you dont have the extra 7% for left habd weapon) that will be 59.5K.....
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full SDG monk ??
if your 85k is right (and i think is too much maybe your estimation is from you experience but as water you dont have the extra 7% for left habd weapon) that will be 59.5K.....
I accounted for that. A good monk hits me for around 30-33k with melee. Remember too that i use 9 stg, and 5154 final -pdmg, so unless you do the same, the extra bless isn't as big of a difference as you might think.
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Against full SDG pirate or monk? Nope, no chance.
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I accounted for that. A good monk hits me for around 30-33k with melee. Remember too that i use 9 stg, and 5154 final -pdmg, so unless you do the same, the extra bless isn't as big of a difference as you might think.
ok then 58-59k i can reach maybe
your defense?
you full +12 ?
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Against full SDG pirate or monk? Nope, no chance.
he said 85K withou stigma is 55k
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ok then 58-59k i can reach maybe
your defense?
you full +12 ?
No, i have 7.8k defense. It doesn't really make much of a difference though.

Without stigma you can definitely survive. I can nearly survive a non-stig triple and i've got only 49k hp and i take a bit more damage than you would with 8 stg.
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No, i have 7.8k defense. It doesn't really make much of a difference though.

Without stigma you can definitely survive. I can nearly survive a non-stig triple and i've got only 49k hp and i take a bit more damage than you would with 8 stg.
I have 49k on a full +12 water (you should see how **** my jiang hp is) with 5kish final pdmg. Just tested on my monk (365bp) who has a noobyish 27-28k attack and casted magic shield - still hit me 22k per melee so am dead pro . Might re-test later to see if it's possible to use two CP pots during triple.

In order to equip a +12 knife, I've dropped my max bp from 376 (Earl, Leader Spouse, otherwise full +12) to 356bp, so full +12 monks will have bp advantage against me but not you.
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i forgot the hidden bonus for full sdg mellee....

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I have 49k on a full +12 water (you should see how **** my jiang hp is) with 5kish final pdmg. Just tested on my monk (365bp) who has a noobyish 27-28k attack and casted magic shield - still hit me 22k per melee so am dead pro . Might re-test later to see if it's possible to use two CP pots during triple.

In order to equip a +12 knife, I've dropped my max bp from 376 (Earl, Leader Spouse, otherwise full +12) to 356bp, so full +12 monks will have bp advantage against me but not you.
that is almost 150%..... :-(
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I have 49k on a full +12 water (you should see how **** my jiang hp is) with 5kish final pdmg. Just tested on my monk (365bp) who has a noobyish 27-28k attack and casted magic shield - still hit me 22k per melee so am dead pro . Might re-test later to see if it's possible to use two CP pots during triple.

In order to equip a +12 knife, I've dropped my max bp from 376 (Earl, Leader Spouse, otherwise full +12) to 356bp, so full +12 monks will have bp advantage against me but not you.
Wait, maybe i was thinking of 2 stg with stig lol. Accounting for extra 8% bless, 22k will drop to 18.5k (55k total), so he could have survived that, but i guess with more attack it will still kill him.

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It's not, all 3 hits land at once.


The obvious answer i guess is dodge.
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Wait, maybe i was thinking of 2 stg with stig lol. Accounting for extra 8% bless, 22k will drop to 18.5k (55k total), so he could have survived that, but i guess with more attack it will still kill him.
Maybe, but you could narrow the bp differential. Between my water and monk there is 9bp difference. If OP had clan and a mentor, he could have 381/2 bp?

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Agreed. The irony is that with so many monks going STG build, I actually think they are easier to beat in arena than other classes, e.g. ninja where gaping wounds would otherwise give more points.
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i find it hilarious that the only stats that were looked at were your hp, your bless, the opponents atk stat. *defense* wasn't even a consideration in the calculation.

just goes to show how worthless it is.
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What if P-Defense is used in Jiang instead of HP, this with 9 STG, -final pdmg, and full -7% bless.
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