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Old 08-21-2011, 19:55   #1
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tort gem and bless reduction

i'm confused now as to how it works. let's say i've got 9K def, with 48% tort def and 46% bless. assume ninja with 20K max attack and full sdgs using tfb:

ninja attack : 20K X 210% sdg = 42K X 130% tfb = 54600 dmg

my def: 54600 X .7 2nd rb def = 38220 - 9K def = 29220 X .52 tort dmg red = 15194 X .54 bless def = 8205 dmg taken

if i have 20K hp, how can i still get 1hit, even with crit? are my calculations wrong?? (also assume talis are same for both)
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Old 08-21-2011, 20:33   #2
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I believe having more BP gives you more damage against someone with less bp.

Not to mention, when a character is fully 2 socket sdg they gain another 50% damage.

And talismans.
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I believe having more BP gives you more damage against someone with less bp.

Not to mention, when a character is fully 2 socket sdg they gain another 50% damage.

And talismans.
BP doesn't make you do more damage, just reduces damage from people with lower BP than you.

The extra 50% damage only applies with melee attacks, as in going up and left clicking on the person.


I'm going to assume that the ninja is in fact, full sdgs. Its supposed to be 310% damage, cause if you have no dragon gems, your attack would be multiplied by 0%.

Also, according to the site, the damage reduction only applies with mobs and non 2nd rb characters. This, and I'm fairly sure STG and bless is capped at a certain percentage, just not sure what exact percentage.
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Also: If I recall correctly it goes tort reduction THEN defense and then the bless reduction. Followed by the 2nd rb aura, followed by BP, followed by talis.
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Also: If I recall correctly it goes tort reduction THEN defense and then the bless reduction. Followed by the 2nd rb aura, followed by BP, followed by talis.
^- this and torts are capped at 50%, not sure at what % bless is capped
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^- this and torts are capped at 50%, not sure at what % bless is capped
Bless is only capped by the amount of items you can bless.
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Bless is only capped by the amount of items you can bless.
Which is 49% on taos and 57% on all the other classes.
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BP doesn't make you do more damage, just reduces damage from people with lower BP than you.

The extra 50% damage only applies with melee attacks, as in going up and left clicking on the person.


I'm going to assume that the ninja is in fact, full sdgs. Its supposed to be 310% damage, cause if you have no dragon gems, your attack would be multiplied by 0%.

Also, according to the site, the damage reduction only applies with mobs and non 2nd rb characters. This, and I'm fairly sure STG and bless is capped at a certain percentage, just not sure what exact percentage.

so they changed the 2nd rb 30% dmg reduction?? figures.

doing the calculations again, i get:

ninja attack : 20K X 310% sdg = 62K X 130% tfb = 80600 dmg

my def: 80600 X .52 tort dmg red = 41912 - 9K def = 32912 X .54 bless red = 17772 dmg taken

oh dang, and that's not even the top lvl bulkers hitting me. thanks to all for the help.
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I though defense is taken out first, but then i've never actually tested bless stuff.

Also. http://bbs.co.91.com/showthread.php?t=720191

but that doesn't make a huge difference.

also, wep prof (See sig).

In conclusion. No one really knows.
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I though defense is taken out first, but then i've never actually tested bless stuff.

Also. http://bbs.co.91.com/showthread.php?t=720191

but that doesn't make a huge difference.

also, wep prof (See sig).

In conclusion. No one really knows.

wow, using your formula, the 32912 dmg before bless reduction ends up like this:

32912 * (.93^6) * (.99^4) = 20455 dmg taken

that sucks.
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