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Re: Plvling - Equations, Experience and Damage

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For you trojans out there, ONLY your right-hand prof. does anything. The other one has no effect whatsoever.
How about a warrior's shield proficiency? It says attack increased by x% when it levels past 12 as well. It levels the same way a weapon prof levels. Is this proficiency pointless?
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Re: Plvling - Equations, Experience and Damage

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If you are 5-20 lvls lower than the monster, the exp decreases as you lvl... so, at sand monsters (lvl 67), a lvl 45 will get more than a lvl 44, but a lvl 47 will get much more than both of them.
It decreases as you level, starting 20 levels below... got that. But lvl 47 (20 levels lower) gets more than 44/45? Not saying this is wrong, but something should be rephrased.
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How about a warrior's shield proficiency? It says attack increased by x% when it levels past 12 as well. It levels the same way a weapon prof levels. Is this proficiency pointless?
I didn't test with a shield, but I would assume that it is completely pointless, based off the tests using a trojan.
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It decreases as you level, starting 20 levels below... got that. But lvl 47 (20 levels lower) gets more than 44/45? Not saying this is wrong, but something should be rephrased.
Well you're right, that's not necessarily true. But it can be true, and for the vast majority of people is true.

It all depends on how many bonuses you have.

I'll try and rephrase it.


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Re: Re: Re: Plvling - Equations, Experience and Damage

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I didn't test with a shield, but I would assume that it is completely pointless, based off the tests using a trojan.

I have a water that I'll be reborning to warrior at 130, currently 120.. so just a day or two from 130. Once I'm warrior, as this char has no prof or anything, I could test this. However, instead of actually thinking of the best way to test while avoiding random damage changes, I'll ask you how you would go about the test.

One thought I had was to get a 0 dura item from a monster, a 1-hander.. put that on with my shield and let the weapon break. Then, if I take off my ring my damage will simply be my strength + 1/2 the attack of the shield. So, it'll be a single number to a single number. That should test if it makes a difference, because as long as my overall damage is at least 100 a 1% increase will be >= 1 damage, which is noticable. So, I could test this way at lvl 12 and then at lvl 13.

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I have a water that I'll be reborning to warrior at 130, currently 120.. so just a day or two from 130. Once I'm warrior, as this char has no prof or anything, I could test this. However, instead of actually thinking of the best way to test while avoiding random damage changes, I'll ask you how you would go about the test.

One thought I had was to get a 0 dura item from a monster, a 1-hander.. put that on with my shield and let the weapon break. Then, if I take off my ring my damage will simply be my strength + 1/2 the attack of the shield. So, it'll be a single number to a single number. That should test if it makes a difference, because as long as my overall damage is at least 100 a 1% increase will be >= 1 damage, which is noticable. So, I could test this way at lvl 12 and then at lvl 13.

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Yes, that would work, but who fights without a right-hand weapon on?

You would need to have something int he right-hand.

I recommend a lvl 5 weapon you haev 0 prof in. The attack range will still only be 2 digits.


To see how I did the other test go to the link I provided in the guide.
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Figured that I would ask here, as this is one of the few threads where people seem to care about math. Has anyone figured out, to any level of accuracy, how much potency differences affect pvp? Bare in mind, it may not be linear.
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Figured that I would ask here, as this is one of the few threads where people seem to care about math. Has anyone figured out, to any level of accuracy, how much potency differences affect pvp? Bare in mind, it may not be linear.

Not gonna pretend I've tested it in details... I've had very little time to play since the patch came out.

So nothing mathematical.


But from what I've seen, the equations are... distressing.

It seems to me that if you have less potency, your damage just gets... destroyed. If it exceeds what you're allowed to hit, it gets cut back to the maximum allowed amount.

It has nothing to do with how much higher your attack is... you could have 50k attack over the max and you would do the same dmg as someone with 1k over.


I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like to me. Need to test more.
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I was having similar observations. In fact, I went to the PK-Tournament on saturday, my trojan is 130 water-130 warrior-121 trojan with 218 potency (or 219? not at home..), and one of my allies is a 130-130-130 pure warrior with 242 potency using a Sword. He's full 2-socket, i'm full 2-socket except necklace.

I was stigging myself, and I hit him for 2.5-3k each fastblade. His scentsword hit me for 9.5k. I stigged myself and herced (blade+blade) and hit him for about 2.5k. He went in XP shield, I hit him for about 2.5k with stig, but lower without. My herc was about 786 damage (photographic memory) when he was in xp shield.

So, stigged fb+herc without xp shield: ~2500-3000
Stigged fb with xp shield: ~2500-3000
Stigged herc with xp shield: ~786

So, it appears I hit my damage cap. Joy.

Btw, I ended up winning the PK-Tourney. I had to land one hit per pot that he had, and eventually he ran out of pots and died... He's not so good at FB/SS.. but probably because of his 800-1000 ping. 45 minute fight, and I didnt know you had to talk to ArenaGuard to go to the next map, i assumed it was like dis city from 3rd to 4th level, so after I won I didn't get a DB! Either way, longest fight in my CO career.

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I was having similar observations. In fact, I went to the PK-Tournament on saturday, my trojan is 130 water-130 warrior-121 trojan with 218 potency (or 219? not at home..), and one of my allies is a 130-130-130 pure warrior with 242 potency using a Sword. He's full 2-socket, i'm full 2-socket except necklace.

I was stigging myself, and I hit him for 2.5-3k each fastblade. His scentsword hit me for 9.5k. I stigged myself and herced (blade+blade) and hit him for about 2.5k. He went in XP shield, I hit him for about 2.5k with stig, but lower without. My herc was about 786 damage (photographic memory) when he was in xp shield.

So, stigged fb+herc without xp shield: ~2500-3000
Stigged fb with xp shield: ~2500-3000
Stigged herc with xp shield: ~786

So, it appears I hit my damage cap. Joy.
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This makes defense even more useless than it ever was, too.

Since defense appears to be calculated before the massive potency damage reduction... unless you have absolutely massive defense it makes no difference.


I mean even in XP shield it had no effect on your FB. Only a small effect on herc. Pathetic.
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So you believe that the equation (without detail) for damage is now something like..

<pre-potency damage> * (1-<potency pct reduction>)

As in, it's taken off the top, not injected somewhere inside the old equation.

Am I correct that this is what you mean?
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