[Mr. Alex Jones]

The goal is not to be pottable. The goal is to be killable.

You can stand still and pot off dmg till you run out of pots. Nice job.

You can move around while potting off dmg. Awesome.

But until an average trojan or ninja has a chance of actually living long enough to do damage back, what's the point?

I don't know about you, but fb/ssing a fire who can move well is difficult enough. I don't wanna have to hold down an F-key while doing it.

[*~panda~*]

Originally Posted by Mr. Alex Jones

The fundamental difference is the number of times your breakthrough activates versus how many times their breakthrough activates.

Just based on how many times they hit you versus you hit them, on average they will nado you 10-15 times for every 1 hit you make.

lol. no wonder you lose. Fire taos got 4 nado's maximum to finish me or they'll get chained. one tfb gives an opening for another, yay for the stun. and trust me when I say that there aren't any people seeing the 5th tfb come out and still be alive.

[Mr. Alex Jones]

Originally Posted by *~panda~*

lol. no wonder you lose. Fire taos got 4 nado's maximum to finish me or they'll get chained. one tfb gives an opening for another, yay for the stun. and trust me when I say that there aren't any people seeing the 5th tfb come out and still be alive.

Nice bro. You're king of CO.

But we're not talking about e-peen here, we're talking about the average player.

With fb/ss.

[JLGHAHD]

Any Fire tao tried Wearing A neckalace and switching boots and necky to Super Tortoise gema and adding p6 Armor, trojan armor to tao gear x)? and surviving a +12 ninja two fold or trojan fasblade in 1 hit.

[RandomlyInsane]

I'll be honest i hate being a warrior, because i get overpowered by ninjas and fire taos..but the trick is to have fun playing the game, if you get mad then log off? It really isn't that hard to turn the game off and come back later, and being good at pvp is always an advantage.

[JLGHAHD]

Originally Posted by RandomlyInsane

I'll be honest i hate being a warrior, because i get overpowered by ninjas and fire taos..but the trick is to have fun playing the game, if you get mad then log off? It really isn't that hard to turn the game off and come back later, and being good at pvp is always an advantage.

Im pretty sure A warrior can 1 hit kill a fire tao with a spear with the same BP.

[tomcasbury]

I dont see the problem, we tros have more than enough skills to beat anyone we come up against. Vs ninjas stay out of range from them and use ss/fb, against taos either practice ur ss/fb or pzn zap them :P

[xxAdamxKremxx]

Originally Posted by heh

First off, your friend must not have a dragon souls bs/brace/cap/armor.

I have a fire tao friend who is full 1 soc, fully permed with 260-280 bp depending if mentor is on or not, owned many trjs/ninjas that are in the 300 bp range... zapps those trjs about 3.5-4k dmg, zaps me for 2.8k dmg because i have 30 percent bless.

also, no fire tao with full +5-6, 2 soc and fully permed gonna hit less than 2.5k, its more around 3-4k dmg 6-8k crits... depending on the class it fights, full +7 2 soc gives about 310-320bp only.

only way how i see small fry fire taos hitting less than 2k is when they fight a max out trj...

which is totally dfferent, because a max fire vs a max trj, max fire would hit a max trj 2.5k dmg ;0 if trj had magic def refineries on, if not around 3.5k dmg.

so small fry fire taos arn't so small fry...

don't compare bulkers to non bulkers cuz that's just totally on a different level.

Your math sucks.

Maxed Fire hits a Maxed Trojan with Ears who has Level 5 Mag Refines on for well over 3.5k damage lol.

[xxAdamxKremxx]

Originally Posted by JLGHAHD

Im pretty sure A warrior can 1 hit kill a fire tao with a spear with the same BP.

a maxed out warrior with speedgun can 1 hit an 8 stg full -7 water tao o.o tao has about 330 bp lol

[~Stoney~]

yeah critical strike makes fires way over powered. takes no skill to right clicked someone 3 times a second from up to a screen and a half away. put fires on their own server or own guild war so they can just fight each other. then when they add nado lock it makes it that much more unfair. i have much more respect for someone who kills me with ss or fb than a tao who can right click u without moving. and whats up with them hitting 3 times a second? a tro cant fb that fast. a ninja cant two fold blade that fast. and how does critical strike kick in almost every time?

[~Stoney~]

of course the fire that gives us problems the most spent about $10,000 american dollars on db's so that could have something to do with it lol

[Hellfire-demon]

Originally Posted by ~Stoney~

yeah critical strike makes fires way over powered. takes no skill to right clicked someone 3 times a second from up to a screen and a half away. put fires on their own server or own guild war so they can just fight each other. then when they add nado lock it makes it that much more unfair. i have much more respect for someone who kills me with ss or fb than a tao who can right click u without moving. and whats up with them hitting 3 times a second? a tro cant fb that fast. a ninja cant two fold blade that fast. and how does critical strike kick in almost every time?

Lol@ refering to nado lock. Aimbot for tro/nin are more overpwoerd but wth, those are bots and not actual in game features.

Also about fires hitting faster then tros/nins: Fires can't one hit. When fighting an equal fire, you can pot of his dmg when your well prepared. fires on teh other hand just die when getting hit, so again, irelevant. Also, cricital aint teh problem at ALL. Penetration is, Lower penetration, so will cricital dmg. penetration is what amkes teh HIGHER FIRES OP.

With my full nub tro, with 6k HP, I can kill most fires who hit me for 2k. Except 2rb, but I lack BP and gears for that.

So yes, in the waaaaay higher power range fires are op CUS OF PENETRATION, but teh truth is, in lower BP class, most people just suck.


Buy yes, imo higher dmg of SS/FB with 40% or something, and nerf penetrayion ahrd, by maybe remoring all penetration refineries.

[IluminatI]

they shud make fb/ss 130 pct. like tfb.
i mean its harder to hit than tfb - for most.

[Hellfire-demon]

Originally Posted by IluminatI

they shud make fb/ss 130 pct. like tfb.
i mean its harder to hit than tfb - for most.

Yes, exactlly my point. TFB does more dmg and is easier mostlly.

Since teh lack of dmg of sword/blade vs katanas, i say even 40 pct maybe. but 30 will do too. Atleast raised with some, so fb/ssers come back.

[Cloud~]

Originally Posted by Mr. Alex Jones

Nice bro. You're king of CO.

But we're not talking about e-peen here, we're talking about the average player.

With fb/ss.

well its only normal I don't look at it from the view of an "average" player. either you got good ping or not. don't got good ping? don't go tro or nin.

no need to nerf the fires as it would be too easy for me then, at least now they give me a challenge.