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Old 07-22-2010, 14:57   #1
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Well fire's have finally been balanced!!

So I was looking at Horse Racing mall and found 2 items to help balance the tro/ninja to fire debate. So here they are:

M-DefenseNecklacePack
Unique: 4-8% m-def -- 320 points
Elite: 6-10% m-def -- 800 points
Sup: 8-12% m-def -- 2000 points

M-DefenseRingPack (Attack and Heavy)
Unique: 4-8% m-def -- 320 points
Elite: 6-10% m-def -- 800 points
Sup: 8-12% m-def -- 2000 points

Note: Same packs are available for tao's bag and bracelet.

So that gives all classes a possible total of +24% m-def. Of course the 92% m-def (can someone confirm 92%) cap would still be in effect but that means a fire can only deliver 8% of its attack. I believe the cap for a fire is 21k attack so do the math lol.. 21,000 * .08 = 1,680 Attack. That is before m-defense (damage reduced from + gears... earring and armor) is even taken out. So were looking at a full +12 fire only able to deliver a max of 1,680 Attack - about 600 for the typical trojan's + m-def.

Now of course you still end up getting an occasional 2x attack from said fire.. but 2.1k is nothing compaired to the usual 4k+ Attack the same fire use to give.
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Old 07-22-2010, 15:08   #2
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IS this with or without penetration and artifact?
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So I was looking at Horse Racing mall and found 2 items to help balance the tro/ninja to fire debate. So here they are:

M-DefenseNecklacePack
Unique: 4-8% m-def -- 320 points
Elite: 6-10% m-def -- 800 points
Sup: 8-12% m-def -- 2000 points

M-DefenseRingPack (Attack and Heavy)
Unique: 4-8% m-def -- 320 points
Elite: 6-10% m-def -- 800 points
Sup: 8-12% m-def -- 2000 points

Note: Same packs are available for tao's bag and bracelet.

So that gives all classes a possible total of +24% m-def. Of course the 92% m-def (can someone confirm 92%) cap would still be in effect but that means a fire can only deliver 8% of its attack. I believe the cap for a fire is 21k attack so do the math lol.. 21,000 * .08 = 1,680 Attack. That is before m-defense (damage reduced from + gears... earring and armor) is even taken out. So were looking at a full +12 fire only able to deliver a max of 1,680 Attack - about 600 for the typical trojan's + m-def.

Now of course you still end up getting an occasional 2x attack from said fire.. but 2.1k is nothing compaired to the usual 4k+ Attack the same fire use to give.
I belive the cap is 90%, and with penetration/sage warlock (wichever give extra pene) That is reduced greatly, and going over the cap say 95% mdef, will not affect the penetration, the penetration will still act as if it was against the 90% cap, so for anyone close to the cap this is pretty useless, and btw with 90% cap i still get hit for around 4k from the top fire on my server.
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Old 07-22-2010, 15:13   #4
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Old 07-22-2010, 15:31   #5
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Well.. how much can sage actually reduce? 15% is its chance to activate. No I didn't include artifacts. I didn't know there was an artifact to reduce m-def of your opponent.
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Unfortunately, magic def % isn't so useful these days. Please see my thread here:
http://bbs.co.91.com/showthread.php?t=691631

In short, an extra 3% actually saved me a mere 1% after penetration and all that.
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Old 07-22-2010, 17:19   #7
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not really,unless u can get m def outside horse race..
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I agreed, useless for bag and bracelet anyway
all +12 water or fire are at 105 pct , and cap-ed is around 91 to 94 on some certain class
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It actually works against maxed out fires. Either TQ raised the cap or they removed it I dunno. A maxed out fire is doing 2ks on a maxed out tro with ring + necky M def refineries and they aren't even super refineries. Anyone else testing this?
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I think that rather than adding m-def, it reduces penetration.
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So fires pay to get strong, then everyone else can pay to resist that power? :x
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So fires pay to get strong, then everyone else can pay to resist that power? :x
yep. That is tq's definition of 'balance'.
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OMGZ......... Im a fire tao, and i dont like this one bit

Ill just Fog

would you Sacrafice attack for defence?

Choose Wiseley xD if you cant 1 hit kill WITH A FB to a fire tao GG......

Unless you can do FB/SS chains good, and hopefully a , Ninja/war/fire reflect does not activate.
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OMGZ......... Im a fire tao, and i dont like this one bit

Ill just Fog

would you Sacrafice attack for defence?

Choose Wiseley xD if you cant 1 hit kill WITH A FB to a fire tao GG......

Unless you can do FB/SS chains good, and hopefully a , Ninja/war/fire reflect does not activate.
If its worth it I'd accept def over att.
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would you Sacrafice attack for defence?
History 101: Hitler didn't and lost WWII because of almost no defense.

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