View Poll Results: Should trojans get new skills/expansion?
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:34   #16
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I personally believe tros are fine where they are. Stigged herc does plenty of damage, and has a wide range and does it's job well. Even better with dragonwhirl, which again has a huge radius and does fine damage.

Their attack,hp,defense are all in line with the other classes. To be honest the only class out of line currently would of course be the assassin, and that's mainly due to their obscene weapon stats, and of course the perm stun on their mortal wound.
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Except fb/ss all the other skills are for trojans only:

Hercules (duuh)
Cruel Shade (troj-troj skill),gets 30% hp with 100% accuarity and it's not affected by battlepower
dragonwhirl is way better than charging vortex and its exclusive for pure trojans.
So you consider cruel shade an actual pvp skill? Requires 100 stamina to cast to deal 20% of your opponent's current HP? Sounds suicidal to me.

For you record, stig+vortex=90*1.3=117%>115%(dragonwhirl). Way better? i think not.

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Old 06-10-2013, 18:38   #18
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ilsu333 is an idiot

Almost every skill was bumped in percentages. The skills you list are all universal and don't apply strictly to Trojans.
Dragonwhirl is a pure skill, warriors can wield shields and spears, Taoists have heavens blade. However, tempest does 115%, dragonwhirl does 115% and causes you to lose reflect and stig. Cruel shade is 100% but blows all your stamina. Ninjas have gaping wounds that does not affect BP either. It goes off with their scythe herc skill or twinfold.

Benefits of being a Trojan:
Hercules
HP

Benefits for being a Taoist:
100% hit rate tornado
No damage reduction unless fighting a monk, may put all damage into crits/penetration.
May be go full STG.

Benefits of archers:
100% hit rate on mortal wound
High attack
High HP
Immunity
Break
Low stamina cost mortal wounds, stun and one hit charge attacks.

Benefits of ninja:
High attack
Gaping wounds - Latest Update
100% guarantee hit rate without missing TFB

Benefits of monk:
100% hit rate palm skill
High defense
Triple hit

Benefits of a pirate:
HP bonus on pistol
40% damage with pistol
Windstorm

warrior:
update please

Taos, warriors and Trojans are at a huge disadvantage.

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Old 06-10-2013, 20:34   #19
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Hercules doesnt have any advantage?
for real lol
its range is crazy
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So you consider cruel shade an actual pvp skill? Requires 100 stamina to cast to deal 20% of your opponent's current HP? Sounds suicidal to me.

For you record, stig+vortex=90*1.3=117%>115%(dragonwhirl). Way better? i think not.
stig+dragonwhirl= 115*1.3=149,5%>117%
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Old 06-11-2013, 00:02   #21
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stig+dragonwhirl= 115*1.3=149,5%>117%
Don't be cheeky mate. We're discussing a single char, not two.
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Don't be cheeky mate. We're discussing a single char, not two.
Then you must remember that someone who can stig themself will usualy have 2 SDG less than pure tro.
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ilsu333 is an idiot

Almost every skill was bumped in percentages. The skills you list are all universal and don't apply strictly to Trojans.
Dragonwhirl is a pure skill, warriors can wield shields and spears, Taoists have heavens blade. However, tempest does 115%, dragonwhirl does 115% and causes you to lose reflect and stig. Cruel shade is 100% but blows all your stamina. Ninjas have gaping wounds that does not affect BP either. It goes off with their scythe herc skill or twinfold.

Benefits of being a Trojan:
Hercules
HP

Benefits for being a Taoist:
100% hit rate tornado
No damage reduction unless fighting a monk, may put all damage into crits/penetration.
May be go full STG.

Benefits of archers:
100% hit rate on mortal wound
High attack
High HP
Immunity
Break
Low stamina cost mortal wounds, stun and one hit charge attacks.

Benefits of ninja:
High attack
Gaping wounds - Latest Update
100% guarantee hit rate without missing TFB

Benefits of monk:
100% hit rate palm skill
High defense
Triple hit

Benefits of a pirate:
HP bonus on pistol
40% damage with pistol
Windstorm

warrior:
update please

Taos, warriors and Trojans are at a huge disadvantage.
Benefits of a warrior:
HP bonus on shield
high defense

I agree that warriors and trojans are at huge disadvantage,but you are the ****ing idiot because i didn't say trojans and warriors don't suck against other classes,i said they would be actually better if their skills would take the same amount of stamina as it takes for monks/pirates or ninjas.

It's not like hercules sucks,or cruel shade is useless (if they'd make cruel shade to use only 20 stamina it would be a decent skill) its just that they take a lot of stamina.

I just suggested that instead of complaining and asking for new skills we should ask them to fix the existing ones -____- ...
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Except fb/ss all the other skills are for trojans only:

Hercules (duuh)
Cruel Shade (troj-troj skill),gets 30% hp with 100% accuarity and it's not affected by battlepower
dragonwhirl is way better than charging vortex and its exclusive for pure trojans.

I play as a trojan and i'm not complaining,the only downside is the stamina cost.If you really wanna experience trojans full power master fb/ss and stop complaining,because trojans were the most op class after TQ nerfed herc and that lasted for a while,if you are only used to op classes that don't require any skill whatsoever,play assasin,or wait till the Jiang Hu gets implemented (who knows,probably there will be other op skills for the old classes as well)
Ofcourse this is false. Why would you ever make a ss/fbing trojan? As said before their hp is decent but defence is crap. If you want to fb/ss only you better make a wat war monk. You get the better headgear and an extra 10pc crit/immunity. I dont know enough about wat-war-pirate with fb/ss, that could even be better than trojan.
If trojans could get a class skill that looks exactly like fb/ss but with some bonus attack or something that would be great.
I am thinking about ss/fb without sword or blade equiped (more dmg from high dmg weapons) or
ss/fb that requires less stamina
ss/fb that does 140 pc dmg
ss/fb that gives a psn star effect for 3 seconds after the hit so you can chain stg chars.
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Ofcourse this is false. Why would you ever make a ss/fbing trojan? As said before their hp is decent but defence is crap. If you want to fb/ss only you better make a wat war monk. You get the better headgear and an extra 10pc crit/immunity. I dont know enough about wat-war-pirate with fb/ss, that could even be better than trojan.
If trojans could get a class skill that looks exactly like fb/ss but with some bonus attack or something that would be great.
I am thinking about ss/fb without sword or blade equiped (more dmg from high dmg weapons) or
ss/fb that requires less stamina
ss/fb that does 140 pc dmg
ss/fb that gives a psn star effect for 3 seconds after the hit so you can chain stg chars.
Fb/ss used to be the most useful skills in co1,yeah they suck now,and i agree that they should upgrade them and probably add new stamina skills to other weapons as well.
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Fb/ss used to be the most useful skills in co1,yeah they suck now,and i agree that they should upgrade them and probably add new stamina skills to other weapons as well.
make fb/ss like tfb,palm and mw that cost stamina only if u hit the target

would be away more fun a duel of fb/ss in that way
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make fb/ss like tfb,palm and mw that cost stamina only if u hit the target

would be away more fun a duel of fb/ss in that way
Spam fb/ss like mad to all directions? Sound like a lot of fun
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tro is supposed to be high hp good attack and medium def not one shot so agreed
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Once Trojans are totally irrelevant and everyone sold off their tro gear, they will update their skills and make them the new power house. That's the trend if you didn't know by now. Update crappy classes, everyone jumps onboard, DB sales improved...profit.
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