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Old 03-14-2013, 08:24   #46
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Back when I used to play tro many years ago most people I knew had club+sword or club+blade... the people using 2 clubs were pretty much noobs and got laughed by everyone.
bec herc then was like half or lower of ss or fb attack.

now with herc at 90pct and with the additional of chi, level 140 weapons, pluses, souls which add to attack, herc does serious damage.

if you are like me with 400-600 ping, im liking my sword-sword.
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No, a herc tro would win if they posses same amount of "skill".
similar low ping, skills, bp, id prefer ss/fb. reason is hercer needs to be closer to do damage.
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Didn't tryed to win with herc and I almost never used this skill, so don't know if hard to kill only with herc.
herc-mellee is actually fun.

herc for stun and melle for the kill. i get this funny feeling whenever i can land a mellee and nix activates. it feels like fixing sword and nix all worth it.
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Fb isn't all that ping dependent. People use it as an excuse most of the times.
lols. fb isnt, landing it is totally ping dependent.

ping is lag/delay, express in milliseconds. 1000 ping means you have 1 second delay. with this delay, you be dead by the time your screen refreshes.

try playing with 800 ping, see what happens.

you are always at a disadvantage when your opponent sees you first in his screen before you do.

played troj for a long time. ive observed that 200-300ms difference in ping can be overcome by skill (talking purely on fb/ss). beyond that, with comparable skill, its too much to ask.
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lols. fb isnt, landing it is totally ping dependent.

ping is lag/delay, express in milliseconds. 1000 ping means you have 1 second delay. with this delay, you be dead by the time your screen refreshes.

try playing with 800 ping, see what happens.

you are always at a disadvantage when your opponent sees you first in his screen before you do.

played troj for a long time. ive observed that 200-300ms difference in ping can be overcome by skill (talking purely on fb/ss). beyond that, with comparable skill, its too much to ask.
But these are people who think you won't be able to hit anything if you have 300-400 ping, so they can be excused from being called noop. And besides, I don't look at the ping meter alone when trying to know how big the delay is. I have 600 ping sometimes consistently and it feels no different from 100 and I have 400 ping the other times and getting two hits quick just feels impossible.
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But these are people who think you won't be able to hit anything if you have 300-400 ping, so they can be excused from being called noop. And besides, I don't look at the ping meter alone when trying to know how big the delay is. I have 600 ping sometimes consistently and it feels no different from 100 and I have 400 ping the other times and getting two hits quick just feels impossible.
300-400 ping is competitive unless you fight cali guys with <100 ping .

like i said, ~200-300 ping difference can be overcome by skill. so when your ping fluctuates between 100-400, most likely you wont feel the difference esp if your opponent has the same ping.

however, when your ping hovers above 400 consistently and your opponent is around 100, it makes a big difference. you will need to shoot in advance, like at the start of his jump, you hit to where you think he is going to land. means you will need more guesses than normal.

i spar a lot against players that resides in california, 9 out of 10 i get beat. esp hate it coz i need to do lots of double left clicks to dodge which makes my offensive rhythm worse and getting stamina more difficult.

however, when i play at dawn (im in asia), i get ping in the mid 300's and people i usually played gets in the high 100's, so now the gap is narrower and i can land plenty like 30 to 40 pct of the time.

if you come across with playerS WHo seemed to just stand there and you can mellee them? they have like 800 ping. i know i ve been there, 512 kbps connection .

if i log to euro servers, i get this kind of lag.

if you are still skeptical, try download a movie or something to a point where your ping is in the 600's, see how it goes.

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You are assuming you will survive 5 hits. Or even one. Herc will almost always do more damage over time, but ask a tao how well that works out.

That is to say, it works well, but sometimes you need to kill someone, and that's harder to do with herc.
I know I can live through a fb of a 30k attack trojan at the very least without stg. In addition, we're talking about which is a better skill. I'm saying herc is superior when neither side can 1 hit each other, which is very easy to do.

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no way you can lose to a hercer. heck if someone hercs you have an idea of his skill level already.
Just because one decides to herc don't mean s/he suck... lol. I never used herc, but I can pick a trojan up and herc just fine. If you think I suck solely because I used herc, then you sir, are deadly wrong.
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Fb isn't all that ping dependent. People use it as an excuse most of the times.
Ping matters a lot. Believe me. A good fb ping in my expeirence is below 150. Between 150-300 is manageable, but above 400 is just horrible.
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Ping matters a lot. Believe me. A good fb ping in my expeirence is below 150. Between 150-300 is manageable, but above 400 is just horrible.
Why is it so hard for people to grasp this concept....

Good ping gives you the potential to be good, but having good ping doesn't automatically make you good.

On the other hand, if you got **** ping, you won't be good, period.
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Just because one decides to herc don't mean s/he suck... lol. I never used herc, but I can pick a trojan up and herc just fine. If you think I suck solely because I used herc, then you sir, are deadly wrong.
So a monk with wwk would win if i only used palm, yes?
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So a monk with wwk would win if i only used palm, yes?
No because palm is 100% hit rate.
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Fb isn't all that ping dependent. People use it as an excuse most of the times.
Agree! Maybe I was unlucky because range 300-650 ping.but it's not a big deal to me.still I can hit them. The important is your skills.
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