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Old 08-27-2010, 11:16   #31
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Ask yourself what do genetic defects do? If it weren't for genetic defects, every organism on this planet would be identical to the single celled organism that was "born" all those years ago.

Genetic deficiencies are a totally fair consequence of complex life being able to exist. Saying its ok for positive genetic defects to exist (apes turning into humans) but G-d cannot possibly exist because negative genetic defects exist is simply a double standard. You cannot have one without the other, it is simply unphysical.
Humans ARE apes.
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Neutron stars have a density of about 10^17 kg/m^3, which is 14 orders of magnitude more dense than that of water.
If you could get even one millimetre cubed of this neutron star, it would weigh 100,000 tonnes, or 100,000,000 kilograms.

Small and heavy enough?
Only if it resits on Earth, and can be touched, then yes. If not, i can't get that rock i always wanted... -.-
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Humans ARE apes.
Ok now you are just being pedantic.
Ape, monkey, chimp, orang-outang, fish, bacterium, crocodile, spider WHATEVER. This is irrelevant to my point. My point was, whatever preceded human beings became human over time due to genetic mutations. If their genes didn't mutate, they would have always remained the same.
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Ok now you are just being pedantic.
Ape, monkey, chimp, orang-outang, fish, bacterium, crocodile, spider WHATEVER. This is irrelevant to my point. My point was, whatever preceded human beings became human over time due to genetic mutations. If their genes didn't mutate, they would have always remained the same.
This is what some ppl based an experiment on to make an ancestor of a bovine. They reversed the process in a way.
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Ok now you are just being pedantic.
Ape, monkey, chimp, orang-outang, fish, bacterium, crocodile, spider WHATEVER. This is irrelevant to my point. My point was, whatever preceded human beings became human over time due to genetic mutations. If their genes didn't mutate, they would have always remained the same.
Chill, you don't need to be exasperated. Just trying to share knowledge to a fellow netizen.

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LOL, how is he omnipotent if he can't even lift his own rock with his magic?

Contrary to religious folk "atheists" don't go around implying that not believing is better. Religious folk go around try to convert people and talk about religion to people who don't want to hear about it.
Atheists only bad mouth religion when people make threads like this or when someone comes up to them and starts talking about religion. We don't sit around a table and talk that god is bad. Don't believe family guy.
Because if you can't logically process the question, how can you process the answer?
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Neutron stars have a density of about 10^17 kg/m^3, which is 14 orders of magnitude more dense than that of water.
If you could get even one millimetre cubed of this neutron star, it would weigh 100,000 tonnes, or 100,000,000 kilograms.

Small and heavy enough?
Aww why cant you talk about this stuff more often, I love this stuff.

But blacks hole are sooo much cooler then neutron stars. Their babys in comparison.
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OK we've seen the arguments that attack the Traditions, actions, and writings of religion (E.G. a belief in a God).

Yet, I haven't seen an Atheist or Agnostic to date that can answer this.

If all living things (plant and animal) on Earth, have as their main drive, to survive (Darwinism), why don't certain humans want to survive after death? Is it a genetic defect in the brains of Atheists and Agnostics?
I don't understand what this question has to do with the existence (or lack thereof) of God (in the Jehovah form). I'm honestly curious, could you just clarify a bit?

Lotak - I KNOW you have an opinion, feel free to jump in.

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Also, yes God can build a rock too big for Him to lift. Since the rock would be bigger than whatever He was standing on it would have a grater gravitation pull, so instead of lifting the rock, He would be pushing away whatever He was standing on. Hence He is still Omnipotent.
According to the bible, God can do whatever he wants, therefore God can build a rock too big for him to lift.

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Not in our lifetime.
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OK we've seen the arguments that attack the Traditions, actions, and writings of religion (E.G. a belief in a God).

Yet, I haven't seen an Atheist or Agnostic to date that can answer this.

If all living things (plant and animal) on Earth, have as their main drive, to survive (Darwinism), why don't certain humans want to survive after death? Is it a genetic defect in the brains of Atheists and Agnostics?

Also, yes God can build a rock too big for Him to lift. Since the rock would be bigger than whatever He was standing on it would have a grater gravitation pull, so instead of lifting the rock, He would be pushing away whatever He was standing on. Hence He is still Omnipotent.

So now with that answered, are Atheists and Agnostics ready to accept God?
Mainly because we believe after death we turn into N2. My question is, what's it like having all these imaginary friends and fantasy heavens/hells?
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Mainly because we believe after death we turn into N2. My question is, what's it like having all these imaginary friends and fantasy heavens/hells?
If you're right, I won't know any difference, if I'm right, it won't be "imaginary" for you...
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Ask yourself what do genetic defects do? If it weren't for genetic defects, every organism on this planet would be identical to the single celled organism that was "born" all those years ago.

Genetic deficiencies are a totally fair consequence of complex life being able to exist. Saying its ok for positive genetic defects to exist (apes turning into humans) but G-d cannot possibly exist because negative genetic defects exist is simply a double standard. You cannot have one without the other, it is simply unphysical.
But you would figure with an omniscient beings master plan that everything would turn out as planned. Everyone would be faithful, everything would be perfect. Because that's what a perfect being would create, perfection.
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Mainly because we believe after death we turn into N2. My question is, what's it like having all these imaginary friends and fantasy heavens/hells?
My imaginary friends tell me to blow people up.
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