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Old 01-25-2009, 10:58   #106
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Why shouldn't we trust wiki? Everything is a fact there,and when it says that ppl aren't 100% sure that everything wrote on that page is true,they'll put it above the text and ppl can edit it a little if they want to.
Yes, it based on people's collaboration of research or opinions, but facts you say?

Take the medical categories in particular, that section from wiki can't be trusted at all with people's collaboration of research...
Should we all say they're doctors now? O.o
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This is fairly common knowledge, but if you insist. Here's what they did to the Jews

Here's a paper with cited references that speaks about how terrible Christianity is.

If you are indeed Christian and you do not practice the Eucharist with a belief in transubstantiation, that puts you at odds with about 95% of the Christians on Earth (pretty much every Catholic and Protestant sect).



"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (Luke 19.27)
FYI

a) Martin Luther himself rejected transubstantiation. Most, if not all protestants reject transubstantiation. So you are factually incorrect on that 95 percent part. And I am not even a protestant

b) I can't endorse missionaries, which is what the burning cross link is referring to. I've already told you it's a fallacy to judge a religion by its followers. It would be like me judging your beliefs according to Stalin's actions.

Anyone can call themselves a missionary and do bad things. Just like anyone can call themselves an atheist and do bad things.

As much as I appreciate you trying, Nandarie, I think you should look for better ways to defend atheism. I don't think atheists are bad people. Nor are you. But you gotta focus on the beliefs and try and knock the beliefs out of the water. Transubstantiation is a good place to start, but I don't believe it, so I can't justify it. Pick something else.

Is your hatred of religious people based on personal experience? Did they steal your lunch money or something?
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Old 01-25-2009, 15:12   #108
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so Ashly,did u see my short clip ? so what's your opinion now ?
if u not see it then have a look,as i see your clip i hope u see my clip too and i hope all here see it,to know what is REALLY our religion not what u post it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxJ5...eature=related
just 5:21 from your time
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so Ashly,did u see my short clip ? so what's your opinion now ?
if u not see it then have a look,as i see your clip i hope u see my clip too and i hope all here see it,to know what is REALLY our religion not what u post it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxJ5...eature=related
just 5:21 from your time
I posted what your religious text preaches to show just how corrupt it is, just like Christianity and other religious texts...I'm not watching your ****ing video because of the fact I am busy and am not wasting my ****ing time watching any video links you post here. If I haven't watched it so far, why the **** should I watch it now?

Also, if the video is in reply to the ****ing Fitna video, which I noticed it is by searching the link...I'm not watching it. The Dutch guy was right. Your people are plagues, so why the **** should I care? Funny thing is...Not many of your people live in China, Japan, Korea...Maybe they got something right by not letting your ****ty people invade.

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FYI

a) Martin Luther himself rejected transubstantiation. Most, if not all protestants reject transubstantiation. So you are factually incorrect on that 95 percent part. And I am not even a protestant

b) I can't endorse missionaries, which is what the burning cross link is referring to. I've already told you it's a fallacy to judge a religion by its followers. It would be like me judging your beliefs according to Stalin's actions.

Anyone can call themselves a missionary and do bad things. Just like anyone can call themselves an atheist and do bad things.

As much as I appreciate you trying, Nandarie, I think you should look for better ways to defend atheism. I don't think atheists are bad people. Nor are you. But you gotta focus on the beliefs and try and knock the beliefs out of the water. Transubstantiation is a good place to start, but I don't believe it, so I can't justify it. Pick something else.

Is your hatred of religious people based on personal experience? Did they steal your lunch money or something?
I'm actually a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran, but thanks for calling me an atheist...riddle me this batman, what denomination are you?
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I'm actually a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran, but thanks for calling me an atheist...riddle me this batman, what denomination are you?
I'm actually an atheist.

Did you miss the rest of my post, or do you typically ignore things when you cannot deal with them?
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I posted what your religious text preaches to show just how corrupt it is, just like Christianity and other religious texts...I'm not watching your ****ing video because of the fact I am busy and am not wasting my ****ing time watching any video links you post here. If I haven't watched it so far, why the **** should I watch it now?

Also, if the video is in reply to the ****ing Fitna video, which I noticed it is by searching the link...I'm not watching it. The Dutch guy was right. Your people are plagues, so why the **** should I care? Funny thing is...Not many of your people live in China, Japan, Korea...Maybe they got something right by not letting your ****ty people invade.
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yo red. Answer me this:
If you say you love your women so much, then why can't they decide for themselves what to wear and how to look?
You say that western women look like ****s and dress and behave that way.
I say they are liberated instead of being oppressed by a religion (and the MEN of your religion) to not being allowed to decide what they want for themselves.

I don't call, being oppressed, freedom.

And you said that you don't use the stoning of women anymore!
It took me less than a minute to find 5 danish articles from the last 3 years, about different women that were stoned to death.
And that's only the danish articles.

What underevolved country and religion uses stoning as punishment?? WTF!
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yo red. Answer me this:
If you say you love your women so much, then why can't they decide for themselves what to wear and how to look?
You say that western women look like ****s and dress and behave that way.
I say they are liberated instead of being oppressed by a religion (and the MEN of your religion) to not being allowed to decide what they want for themselves.

I don't call, being oppressed, freedom.

And you said that you don't use the stoning of women anymore!
It took me less than a minute to find 5 danish articles from the last 3 years, about different women that were stoned to death.
And that's only the danish articles.

What underevolved country and religion uses stoning as punishment?? WTF!
in Islam woman can dress any thing she want but it must be cover here body good,i mean like prophet Mohamed say,"nothing show up but face and hands"
so,just this two face and hand's show up to ppl and nothing else.
and NO ,idk any country still use stoning as a punishment .
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Allah is exist.No more ****.Just as redtiger said.He has given you Brain to think with.What the hell you think how the land created?How the sky created?How the people created?How the plants grow up?How the rain fall?And there are soo many things that Qur'an told us about it and the people recently discovered.You think how the Babies forming in his/her mother's womb,If you really know when the Qur'an released and think that the Qur'an told us how the baby forming in his/her mother's womb and the scientists discovered it recenlty.If you are not gonna believe this.Just don't try to insult Islam.
JUST ONE WHO CAN DO AND KNOW ALL THIS."Allah"Is the only god.
Allah is exist.Believe this or not.Just to put it in your poor minds.
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in Islam woman can dress any thing she want but it must be cover here body good,i mean like prophet Mohamed say,"nothing show up but face and hands"
so,just this two face and hand's show up to ppl and nothing else.
and NO ,idk any country still use stoning as a punishment .
The first part is still a way of oppression. While my cousins were practicing the religion I overheard my aunt's boyfriend tell them that them dressing like us and wearing blue jeans and t shirts still but wearing the scarf wasn't enough and that within a year they either would wear the full body dress or else. I asked his friends why he said that and they all said one thing: Women are not to show themselves to men in any way, and to do so is punishable by death.

Here's a quick list of countries that still use stoning by the way...

Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Somalia, Nigeria...

Also, Red_Ranger...You need to go bury your **** up the camels ass again and stay the **** out of this. You are just as bad as a 2 year old coming to the defense of their parent...ANNOYING AND BETTER OFF UNHEARD!!
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Going off the first post in the topic, this is nothing but bull****. The texts that can be labeled as 'extreme' in the quaran are far, far less then the texts that can be labeled as otherwise.

All religions have secular violence, hate, law imposition, moral code and unity to their specific belief in their texts.

The bible is no better then the quaran.

In fact, its a very, very safe bet that the old testament contains much more hate, much more death then the quaran.

I suggest you go watch "Secrets of the Quaran", its a doc-umentary(****in filter) that was done on the history channel, and can be found on torrent sites and such. It takes a much less bias view on a religion that is being persecuted by half the world.

By the way, I was an atheist but now consider myself agnostic, if that matters at all.

(Edit, small rebuttal on drakes last post in the topic involving womans rights) : Christianity also restricts womans rights severely, moreso in the old testament.
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*sits a few bibles on the ground to sit on and lights the qu'uran ablaze in the middle* i brought the marshmallows!~ ^_~;
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To the arguement that the bible has even more hatred and violence in the old testament:
Yes, that is true, but the christians have evolved quite a bit, and don't kill ppl, like fanatic muslims do, in the 21st century.

That is how the religions differ from one another.

The muslim fanatics are still dumb and ignorant compared to christians.
And as long as the muslim imams dont condemn ALL of the terrorist acts, those dumb muslims (this is not a generalization, but refering to the dumb ones) will still keep blowing themselves up and thousands of innocent ppl together with them.

And Red. Look at what drake posted:
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Here's a quick list of countries that still use stoning by the way...

Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Somalia, Nigeria...
So yes, stoning is still used in muslim countries.

and at dkall:
How are womens rights restricted, if they are christian? I don't think I can think of how they would be restricted. (I don't know enough about the rules of christians, thats why )
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