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Old 11-26-2012, 03:45   #56
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Originally Posted by ~*panda*~ View Post
Afaik you need the same amount of +1 items before as you need now. Not sure what you are saying. They were harder to come by yea, because dbs were worth about 5 mil, while +1's were 1.5m-2m. Bulkers would buy all + items and get high plusses. The rest would settle with what the hunt gave them, which wasn't all that bad. Full super to be a threat is a lie tho. You needed at least elite/super 2 socket sdg'd +4 weapons to be able to do more or less reasonable damage, and those cost a lot. Sdgs were what? 6 dbs back then? Easily making a +4 2s sdg club costing 15-20 dbs.

Socket rate was quite good back then, especially when second reborn came out. Lucky time flashed up too much, a lot of people made tons of sockets before the patch lowered them.
I am talking about about co1.0 not co2.0.
2nd reborn is actually a fairly recent addition. It has been like what? 3-4 years ago?

Anyway, yes full super alone was enough to be at threat to every class except warriors.
Only warrior had the defense to not be 1-2 shot. Why? Do you remember which head gear was popular and why?

Lets do some math shall we?
Total attack - Defense
You have Ears/Helm, necky, shield, and Armor.
lets go with super lvl 120 gear.
Ears: 400
Helm: Warrior:768 | Trojan:576
Necky: 551
Armor: Warrior: 1258 | Trojan:1239
Shield: (lvl 110 since lvl 120 shield were not released till after co 2.0 came out.)558
Total defense:
Warrior w/ ears: 2,767
Trojan w/ ears: 2,190
Warrior w/ helm: 3,135
Trojan w/ helm: 2,366

Now lets look at the popular builds back then.
Blade+club(BC), blade+blade(BB), Sword+Blade(SB), sword+sword(SS) and club+club(CC) for trojan
And Blade/Sword/Club for Warrior w/ shield.

BC: Club Main, Blade off: 4,019-1,783
BB: 3,247-2,214
CC: 4,405-1,567
SB: Blade main, Sword off: 3,041-2,076
SS: 2,628-1800

Now we add blade skills, which is 30% damage increase.
BC: 5,224-2,317
BB: 4,221-2,878
SB: 3,953-2,698
SS: 3,416-2,340

Now, at lvl 120, warrior have like 3500 hp or so, and Trojans around 4k.
Lets see final damage after armor is factored in.
We will go with the highest and lowest.
Total defense:
Warrior w/ ears: BC: 2,457-1 dmg, SS: 649-1 dmg
Trojan w/ ears: BC: 3,034-127 dmg, SS: 1,226-150 dmg
Warrior w/ helm: BC: 2,089-1 dmg, SS: 281-1 dmg
Trojan w/ helm: BC: 2,858-1 dmg, SS: 1,050-1 dmg

This is assuming both parties are equal as there is a slight damage increase if your over level the other.

Again, these damages are based on flat super gear. They will decrease with + gear armor, and will increase with + weapons, stig, etc.
Damage also gets reduced based on reborn status, since this is co 1.0 I am talking it about, it is 30% over all damage reduce. Meaning it comes before armor reduction.


Here is a simple challenge. Make a single +5 item using drops only. Be it from market or self. It will put things into perspective for you when I say you needed A LOT of +1's.
Yes the same amount is needed as back then, but finding the right ones was the chore.

You young kids know nothing about co 1.0 and how awesome it was back then. Simple, and fairly balanced. Archers on the PvP front sucked against equally geared peeps, but that was made up by our awesome hunting powers.

Hell, there would be only two reasons why you would go past +5 super 1 sock gear for PvP, and that was to see higher damage numbers, or penetrating a warriors XP shield. Man, the fun I had walking around like a boss with that xp shield up and nobody could do a damn thing about it. Mostly...

So what you got next young'in? You gonna get schooled by the old schooler. :3
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