Originally Posted by ~*panda*~ (Post 11912229)

Okay guys, I've been hearing too much about this and there have been many "stories" but I have yet to see a single shred of evidence.

This thread isn't to debate, it's to throw that missing evidence in here so we can actually see the corruption.

As far as I know, there is no corruption. I've yet to see GM interference that was based on a GM actively supporting people out of corruption or friendship.

Now, Manipulating GM's into reducing sentences happens all the time and happened since '03. It's just that Chinese GM's often don't know the game that much as they have plenty of changes in their employment roster.
It's all about how you bring your case and explain what transpired. Claiming a file got corrupted when installing the patch may help you more than flat out saying you edited half the files in your client.

So this thread is for basic evidence. Screenshots, neutral testimonies, things that don't add up.

No conspiracy theories, "a friend of a friend" stories, "my guess is" stories, ...

Actual evidence. Go.

Originally Posted by *Berzerk (Post 11912234)

Question:- What would happen if we actually debate, what's the aftermath?

Originally Posted by Aim|Bot (Post 11912245)

This probably would count as a story since im not gunna say his name, but one of my friends got out of perm botjail by paying a gm $800 USD so obv the gms arent squeaky clean.

Originally Posted by Zynn (Post 11912247)

Originally Posted by Aim|Bot (Post 11912245)

This probably would count as a story since im not gunna say his name, but one of my friends got out of perm botjail by paying a gm $800 USD so obv the gms arent squeaky clean.

Originally Posted by Aim|Bot (Post 11912252)

waw father can u teach me? All i can do is use my nado like skill to lock onto targets.

Originally Posted by Xentheo (Post 11912282)

|~Army~| was recorded speeding by Blade I think. To defend Carina took an unbiased approach and deemed the video fake and removed Army from jail. 1 week later /spd up command abuse became wide spread.

Army again comes under fire for getting caught by the ini update Carina again defends him saying it wasn't the owner and removed him from jail.

Army, sophia, cesiang all get botjailed by this patch and Carina once again defends them after they pay to be released saying it was a virus all 3 of those people had to trigger the antibot. She removes them and clears their record .

ElJefe gets caught speeding obviously and Carina mocks him from what I was told and told him not to share his info because Jefe will go to jail again.
Note Jefe is not a close friend of Carina he is just the top bulker and was mocked and forced to pay to get out and take the strike.
Whereas Army, Sophia, cesiang are all close enough to Carina they have her personal number if anything comes up.

We are talking about people in army, sophia, cesiang be it the owner or not admit to speeding in events and DCing enemies. They sat in jail confidently for an entire day until Carina arrived and removed them.

Corrupt GMs is how games suffer and this game is suffering enough from all fronts.

Originally Posted by SaonNalang (Post 11912290)

http://bbs.co.91.com/attachment.php?...1&d=1436366932
^ This.

Picture paint a thousand words.

Originally Posted by -Kirito (Post 11912291)

Why does he ask her for a finally decision wth??

Originally Posted by -Kirito (Post 11912291)

Why does he ask her for a finally decision wth??

Originally Posted by Zynn (Post 11912293)

Originally Posted by SaonNalang (Post 11912296)

He just wanted to confirmed that Carina clear his record already. As what I have learned so far, they put the fps unlock as their scapegoat on why they got jailed. But GM did not realized that they were get caught by the antibot during the patch for coworker. Why the **** we have a GM with no common sense hmmm...

Originally Posted by -Kirito (Post 11912303)

A virus triggering TQ's anti bot patch.. how?!

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912317)

The board? WTF? She's not a director.

Go back to shooting yourself in the foot. kthxbai

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912317)

The board? WTF? She's not a director.

Go back to shooting yourself in the foot. kthxbai

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912326)

showing ConquerAI client.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912326)

Why you so sexy?

Originally Posted by Aim|Bot (Post 11912245)

This probably would count as a story since im not gunna say his name, but one of my friends got out of perm botjail by paying a gm $800 USD so obv the gms arent squeaky clean.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912256)

Panda, if you're suggesting that you've never seen a post on the forums in the last 8 years or so saying that "GMs told me that I could get out of botjail for [x]USD" contrary to TQ's official policy - you've been selectively reading.

Does it count as legit evidence? Maybe not, does Occam's Razor suggest that this is on balance likely to be true? You betcha.

Originally Posted by Xentheo (Post 11912282)

|~Army~| was recorded speeding by Blade I think. To defend Carina took an unbiased approach and deemed the video fake and removed Army from jail. 1 week later /spd up command abuse became wide spread.

Army again comes under fire for getting caught by the ini update Carina again defends him saying it wasn't the owner and removed him from jail.

Army, sophia, cesiang all get botjailed by this patch and Carina once again defends them after they pay to be released saying it was a virus all 3 of those people had to trigger the antibot. She removes them and clears their record .

ElJefe gets caught speeding obviously and Carina mocks him from what I was told and told him not to share his info because Jefe will go to jail again.
Note Jefe is not a close friend of Carina he is just the top bulker and was mocked and forced to pay to get out and take the strike.
Whereas Army, Sophia, cesiang are all close enough to Carina they have her personal number if anything comes up.

We are talking about people in army, sophia, cesiang be it the owner or not admit to speeding in events and DCing enemies. They sat in jail confidently for an entire day until Carina arrived and removed them.

Corrupt GMs is how games suffer and this game is suffering enough from all fronts.

Originally Posted by SaonNalang (Post 11912290)

http://bbs.co.91.com/attachment.php?...1&d=1436366932
^ This.

Picture paint a thousand words.

Originally Posted by SaonNalang (Post 11912301)

I don't know if this will support as an evidence but u can see their cockiness towards the situation. They were so confident that they can skip from it. Knowing that they have a GM helping and favoring them.

http://bbs.co.91.com/attachment.php?...1&d=1436367924

EDIT: How about the other 500 people who got botjailed also? Probably they got a virus on their PC too.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912339)

Panda, forgive me, but why do you defend TQ against, what seems to me, to be a rather large amount of evidence, whether hearsay or not?

Like I said above, if so many people are reporting that GMs do not necessarily give equal treatment to players (and let's face it, they don't really have much of an incentive to permanently ban a VIP7 player), why are you so hesitant to accept that maybe, just maybe, they are corrupt.

p.s. my definition of corruption would include being paid off to allow people to return to the game after their accounts have been permanently jailed which is against TQ's own rules.

Originally Posted by ~*panda*~ (Post 11912337)

These are publically hidden secrets. I don't see that as corruption as every player may appeal to that. It's a level playing field there. I remember, although it is a considerable amount of years ago, that a GM, think it was Banana, post that if you were permanently banned, you could "buy" your account back, the amount depending on the type of infractions. I also remember that it caused quite the ruckus on the forums because people with a lot of money could pretty much do what they want.

Despisable at best, but not corruption.



Now, if that can be made concrete, you got something. But first off, fake videos are actually a thing and if a GM says the video is fake, they have the logs to back it up so I'd let that one slide.

Got any screenshots of carina saying that she released that army guy because "it wasn't the owner"? That seems like a breach of their own rules.

I'd also like to put one thing straight, after characters paid, their "record" can't be wiped clean. No matter what they say, that's not how this game works. Hemp explained this a long while ago that once you paid, it will be on your account permanently.

I had a dispute once with a character from a friend that got botjailed for mining in the cave (was a legit bug back then that botjailed innocent people for a few days) but because Tq was so slow on the issue and the rewards of the upcoming events outweighted the 2 dbs penalty, he paid. After that he got his dbs back but Tq said his record can't be wiped clean because they simply can't edit that data.

Perhaps this changed in the recent past, I'll ask my sources if it did. I'll get back to you on that.

How did Carina mock him? Screenshots, throw some info. If a GM as much as laughed wrongly in the past, we had 20 screenshots covering it. You won't tell me that no one screenshotted this if it was that obvious?




Perhaps a misinterpretation? Your paid botjail history is not a record. GM's keep their own records on players that get pinged by their system too much. Those 1 day bans aren't for show. It just means she hasn't been getting those. Be sure you got the right info there.



Is that guy a GM? Haven't seen him in the list. If not, it's second hand info again that's probably not even true. If that guy is a GM, I'll count it.
I haven't seen him before.

No virus changes conquer.exe. That's a bogus reason.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912339)

Panda, forgive me, but why do you defend TQ against, what seems to me, to be a rather large amount of evidence, whether hearsay or not?

Like I said above, if so many people are reporting that GMs do not necessarily give equal treatment to players (and let's face it, they don't really have much of an incentive to permanently ban a VIP7 player), why are you so hesitant to accept that maybe, just maybe, they are corrupt.

p.s. my definition of corruption would include being paid off to allow people to return to the game after their accounts have been permanently jailed which is against TQ's own rules.

Originally Posted by SaonNalang (Post 11912290)

http://bbs.co.91.com/attachment.php?...1&d=1436366932
^ This.

Picture paint a thousand words.

Originally Posted by Xentheo (Post 11912352)

I find it funny how for example in SaonNalang shows you Carina saying what she said you deem it as a misinterpretation.

For proof of Carina's actions one would need to look 3 months deep into Facebook to show what she has been saying/doing. People calling her corrupt are people with first hand knowledge.

She is in personal Facebook chats with Cesiang and Mimi and their group if anything goes wrong Carina knows about it and fixes it, they have her phone number for christ sake.

Originally Posted by ~*panda*~ (Post 11912357)

Please do not pick lines without context. I gave an explanation in the sentence before that to what I think they see as "a record".

I also said I was going to inform if they changed the system to allow changes in the botjail count, as this wasn't possible before.

We all have their work numbers. http://co.99.com/guide/info/contact.shtml.

Call, ask for a specific person, get connected, ask your question and their number for further contact.

Originally Posted by Xentheo (Post 11912352)

I find it funny how for example in SaonNalang shows you Carina saying what she said you deem it as a misinterpretation.

For proof of Carina's actions one would need to look 3 months deep into Facebook to show what she has been saying/doing. People calling her corrupt are people with first hand knowledge.

She is in personal Facebook chats with Cesiang and Mimi and their group if anything goes wrong Carina knows about it and fixes it, they have her phone number for christ sake.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912359)

You're still corrupt if you go along with corruption. If you know something is morally wrong, but you do it anyway, it doesn't make you less culpable.

btw Xentheo means GM's personal whatsapp phone numbers. Like Carina's for example.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912359)

You're still corrupt if you go along with corruption. If you know something is morally wrong, but you do it anyway, it doesn't make you less culpable.

btw Xentheo means GM's personal whatsapp phone numbers. Like Carina's for example.

Originally Posted by ~*panda*~ (Post 11912367)

And if it's whatsapp, that might indeed be a reason to call someone less professional and probably too closely invested. Perhaps TQ ordered her to stick to the well paying clients? Who knows. No clue how TQ rolls behind the scenes. Either way, did cesiang whatshername say she had the whatsapp number or is this something berzerk shouted together with "i don't bot"

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912369)

Umm, because I have a well paid job and don't need to work for TQ. #easy

A friend has her whatsapp.

Originally Posted by Xentheo (Post 11912372)

If the underlined is true why do her and ElJefe have a toxic relationship and ElJefe owner says Carina has mocked him? He is not just a well paying client he is the top client. Which indicates it is of her own validity to do what she has been doing.

Originally Posted by Promethean (Post 11912376)

If you invoke his name, there will be pics of down syndrome and *****es all over the forum.

Originally Posted by ~*panda*~ (Post 11912373)

Yea but it's not that easy in China I guess.

Who's the friend? Concrete names, concrete evidence.



Since a few days ago, khaled has a toxic relationship with evelyin too. You wonder why? Because Khaled is a genuine arsehole. That aside, it's pretty irrelevant.